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[-] forcequit@hexbear.net 52 points 10 months ago

people sure do love genociding the brits

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 10 months ago

Real Mithridates hours

[-] Comment105@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago

now more than ever the island is small and vulnerable, you only get one shot do not miss the chance to blow this opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo

[-] Zeth4@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 10 months ago

Mainly Romans

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago

That's what happens when you're the biggest colonizer the world had ever seen.

[-] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 33 points 10 months ago
[-] judgeholden@hexbear.net 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

british genocide

sicko-laser

[-] TheCheddarCheese@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

☕️☕️☕️

[-] kig_v2@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 10 months ago

The British might have done genocide the most the good ol' fashioned way, but I really think at least in per-capita terms the US will be recognized in future history books as the worst. They mastered the art of genocide to the point that we don't even think of them as responsible for all the deaths they cause.

Do we MLs even call what happened in Iraq a genocide? I mean, millions of civilians died at the hands of the US. Not only places we directly invade but what about everywhere we strangle economically, where we install fascist dictators, at that point I feel like the death and destruction outweighs the Brits by a magnitude.

The British imperialists bowed out and chose to live in their "garden" peacefully while the Americans inherited their death machine and revolutionized it with Nazi inspiration. We modernized it and mastered the craft of being so purely evil and yet in such a way that most people wouldn't associate the US with genocide save perhaps that of the Native Americans (arguably another British genocide as well).

[-] SeborrheicDermatitis@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

It's important to remember that mass killing =/= genocide. Yes, the Iraq Invasion led to mass destruction, chaos, and death, but what matters in genocide is intent. It was not with the intent to destroy Arab Iraqis as a social group, hence it was not genocide. Something can only be genocide if there was intent or, alternatively, that the actions taken would knowlingly deprive a social group of the conditions for life to the point where the social group would be destroyed (e.g., orchestrated famines, ontological destruction).

The US has plenty of other genocides to its name on its own continent, though, don't worry!

[-] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 10 months ago

The difference between US atrocities and every other country on Earth is that we never call them genocides, we never let anyone call them genocides. The War in Iraq was simply a war...where millions of innocent people were killed or tortured.

[-] Farman@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

Who knows how many people died on india durin colonial rule. They were particularly brutal over there.

[-] SeborrheicDermatitis@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Kenya: Mass concentration camps and mass murder, though more for control than to destroy a social group. Perhaps not genocide, but certainly grave crimes against humanity.

Scotland: Not letting the SNP have a second referendum? Scotland was our comrade in arms for all the worst parts of British imperialism.

India: Bengal Famine was orchestrated by Britain knowing the consequences would be mass death, there is a good argument that this was therefore genocide. Not historical consensus but very much possibly so.

Iran: ???. I guess overthrow of Mossadegh which was bad but not genocide, of course. (EDIT: see reply to this).

Ireland: Orchestrated a famine knowing it would result in the death of a large portion of the population. Most likely genocide.

Australia/Tasmania: Extremely clear case of genocide, almost consensus within the field of Genocide Studies.

Malaysia: Mass internment in concentration camps, considerable extrajudicial killing. Not genocide, but crimes against humanity most certainly.

So that's a pretty bad record for the old Brits.

[-] Farman@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

The iran one is ww1 and 2. The british invaded iran and cofiscated grain. In the 19th century irans population was equivalent to the otoman empire. That is turkey +iraq +the levant +some of the balkans. Now iys about half. Similar to what hapoen to irland (the ratio of its populayion to nearby countries halved). So somewhete between 6 and 13 million people died(half of iranians). But because there is less data i jave argued with genocide denialists even on hexbear.

[-] SeborrheicDermatitis@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

Oh my bad, I didn't know about that at all. I need to learn more, clearly.

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

Scotland

Maybe they are talking about the Highland Clearance?

[-] Orcocracy@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

Forced migration counts as a crime against humanity, which I guess covers enclosure and the Highland clearances. I'm not sure if that's genocide though. Maybe cultural genocide against Scots and Gaelic and so on? I don't think the Harrying of the North went into Scotland, but that was definitely genocide.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

India: Bengal Famine was orchestrated by Britain knowing the consequences would be mass death, there is a good argument that this was therefore genocide. Not historical consensus but very much possibly so.

Well since the EU and US are now firm on the Holodomor being a genocide, by that same definition (that plays very fast and loose with genocidal intent) most Indian famines and the Irish potato famine are almost certainly genocides.

[-] SeborrheicDermatitis@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

Yeah if you consider the Holodomor a genocide you absolutely MUST consider the Indian and Irish Famines a genocide. It would be ludicrous otherwise.

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 10 months ago

Its children are worse (US, Canada, Australia)

[-] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 10 months ago

Yeah they like doing that

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Every country on earth should get a turn doing to Britain what Britain did to them.

I'm sure the British Empire apologists will have no problem with that since colonialism was good, actually.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

Wow the British sure are being genocided in a lot of countries.

[-] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago
[-] huf@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

SARCASM

notice how it's not kenyan genocide in kenya. this is just further proof that white genocide is real!

SARCASM

[-] JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 10 months ago

British genocide in Scotland British genocide in Ireland

TMW you're so racist that you genocide white people.

[-] JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This is literally genocide

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

Forgot about concentration camps in South Africa

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 10 months ago
[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah those were the ones most talked about in modern history. But they also built plenty of camps for black Africans as well.

https://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0018-229X2019000200001

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