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How Donald Trump has evolved into a Messianic figure among the white religious right

Donald Trump is now publicly proclaiming that he is some type of messiah, a man chosen by God and Jesus Christ to do their bidding on Earth. For Trump, this means becoming America’s first dictator.

If Trump were a private citizen and not a former president and leader of a right-wing fascist movement, his claims to divine power would be viewed as the ramblings of an unwell person and de facto cult leader. Unfortunately, public opinion and other research shows that many millions of Americans actually believe that Trump is some type of divine figure, a man with a mandate from God. This is more evidence that Trumpism, like other forms of fascism and fake populism, is a form of collective pathology and emotional and mental unwellness on a societal scale.

Trump’s claims that he has a mandate from God should not be a surprise or in any way shocking: it is the predictable next step in a years-long pattern of megalomania, fabulism, malignant narcissism and other such negative behavior where he has claimed to have secret knowledge and insights that no one else possesses, and that his followers should just believe what he says and reject the facts and empirical reality itself.

Last week, Donald Trump took an even bigger step forward in his claims to being God's leader on Earth, when he shared a campaign ad declaring that “God gave us Trump.”

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[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 84 points 10 months ago (3 children)

"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron."

1 Timothy 4:1-2

[–] Davel23@kbin.social 59 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If those cultists could read they'd be very upset right now.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Okay, but this could describe any number of presidents, kings, and high priests.

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, that's the point. Don't worship politicians, kings, and priests. Or anyone for that matter, except God... I'm atheist though, so not even "God" in my opinion.

[–] cazsiel@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

the only worship i do is of my girlfriends body.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Sure. But I see this stuff lobbed at damned near every high profile figure, from Hollywood celebrities to Presidents to Popes.

Some base of mega-fans get attention for going off the edge, and suddenly any vote for Obama or tickets to the next Beyonce concert means you've been corrupted by evil brain demons. This quote gets abused to imply everything popular is an abandonment of faith or a form of idolatry.

It leads you to the "I only need to read one book" style of evangelicalism. I'm not a fan, even if it gets espoused by an atheist who pivots to "And even God doesn't count".

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago

And probably was. That passage was from a letter to early Christians, and was likely in response to a perceived issue already present at the time.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I was gonna write that I've met my favorite Christians posting liberal comments on the Internet. Then I remembered I have practicing friends in real life, and we're friends bc of our shared liberal values. And that being Christian doesn't make you a douche, imposing your will on others and voting for the devil make you a douche.

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I think it's very telling that major predictors for whether a Christian will be a Trump supporter include how often they go to church and how frequently they study the bible. Those who attend church regularly and study scripture regularly are significantly less likely to support Trump than those who rarely or never do either.

One obvious explanation for this is that, well, Trump's actions, statements and overall sleaze are not exactly compatible with the apparently "woke agenda" of things like the sermon on the mount. Loving your enemies, turning the other cheek, being humble and serving others without taking credit, that's all just kind of the exact opposite of the self absorbed, petty, hateful, arrogant mindset that Trump and MAGA are all about. And that's without bringing actual policies into this, which is never going to look good for Trump given what the bible has to say about the rich, the poor, and the way we should treat others, including immigrants and refugees.

On the flipside, when you claim to be religious but don't have a church or scripture providing any external guidance, you can easily define your religious beliefs as you see fit. It's as simple as knowing that God wants you to stand for what's right. And of course, you know what's right, it's all those things you believe in. Which means God wants what you want. So, because you know Trump is the greatest leader we've ever had, that vaccines are bad, that we need to kick all those damn [insert ethnic slur here]s out, and boot all those lazy freeloaders off of welfare, that God stands for those things too, and anyone who opposes is evil and a servant of the devil.

[–] BrundleFly2077@lemmy.wtf 8 points 10 months ago

Where did you get that stat about church attendance and its effect on Trump support?

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 23 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They finally realized that Jesus wasn't going to show back up.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What they didn't realize was that it's because of their behavior.

[–] Nommer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I can see God wanting to smite trump and supporters but Jesus is standing next to him saying, "But Dad, I just died for them."

[–] odelik 3 points 10 months ago

I'm of the mind that they're a death cult trying to self-fulfill their prophecy.

Tons of prophecies of a false idol coming back that will lead the lock astray.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

This is true, because nobody so perfectly embodies how hypocritical Christianity is than DJT. That all of their professed beliefs go right out the window as soon as somebody as convenient as Trump comes along, someone who completely contradicts all of their beliefs, is just indicative of what kind of faith Christianity is.

You may not like it, but this is what peak Christianity looks like.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Trump’s claims that he has a mandate from God should not be a surprise or in any way shocking

No it shouldn't because he called himself The Chosen One in 2019.

Then, while speaking to reporters on Wednesday about his efforts to take on China's trade practices, Trump pointed at the sky and said, "I am the chosen one."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-doubles-down-calling-jewish-democrats-disloyal-israel-n1044861

[–] iMastari@kbin.social 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yes, chosen by the Russian government.

[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Kompromat says what?

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Couldn't think of anything or anyone less Christian.

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Or, maybe Christianity isn't what you thought it was.

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshipped anything but himself. — Richard Francis Burton

[–] Balthazar@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] numbermess@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

The best antichrist!

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

God has a documented propensity toward sending plagues, yes.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago
[–] teft@startrek.website 8 points 10 months ago

The whole ad seems to be a ripoff of a Paul Harvey speech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_God_Made_a_Farmer

Harvey's wikipedia page describes him as a close friend of Joseph McCarthy, Billy Graham, and J. Edgar Hoover.

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

That's a lot of words to say that rubes gonna rube. These are the same people that believe in prosperity gospels and faith healing.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Because they’re mentally defective backward degenerates.

[–] Xariphon@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

Trump is a self-absorbed megalomaniacal bigot with a fixation on wealth... which is pretty much on brand for the god of Abraham and his churches.

[–] Ruorc@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

Doesn't help that churches are pushing political ideologies onto their flocks. Granted, those churchgoers probably already held Trump in high regard thanks to years of brainwashing from Fox. Trump meets all the decriptions of the antichrist and they follow him without a question asked. Religious nutjobs are frightening.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

An anti-Christian idol for anti-Christians, he is.

[–] Hegar@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

among the white religious right

The weligious white?

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

Hey jesus man. You really let yourself go!

[–] ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

God gave conservatives Trump, then he cupped his mouth toward the camera and said, "get a load of these people! Wocka wocka!"

[–] Efwis@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 months ago

Ya know, the more I see of his bs the more I believe that the writers of the original Omen movies back in the 70’s were predicting this. In the movies Damien was the anti-Christ, I’m not religious btw, who ascended to power by private business and became a world leader.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

My not-so-expert opinion is that someone who really and truly believes there is an all-powerful invisible man in the sky who watches their every move is more likely to be swayed by a cult using the same trappings.

[–] blazera@kbin.social 0 points 10 months ago

So heres the experts explanation

"My question is why so many people love him and turn him into their Pied Piper."