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Many on the right claim the U.S. is being "invaded" by migrants but also want to wait until Donald Trump is elected president again to stop it.

For months, Republicans have shouted from the rooftops about a migrant crisis at the U.S.-Mexico border and how President Joe Biden needs to act to address it, insisting the flow of migrants is an urgent national security threat.

Now many on the right are urging their party to reject the very same things they said were needed to fix the problem, including tougher enforcement measures and a proposal to automatically shut down border crossings when it is overwhelmed. Instead, they appear set on impeaching the top Cabinet official in charge of the border, even though there is no evidence of a crime.

The GOP’s contortions aren’t just grating for Democrats but also on some conservative Republicans who have been deeply involved in crafting bipartisan legislation, which is expected to be unveiled soon, that would overhaul how migrants are processed at the border.

“It is interesting. Republicans four months ago... locked arms together and said, ‘We’re not going to give you money for this. We want a change in law,’” Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.), the GOP’s lead negotiator on a deal pairing immigration changes with assistance to Ukraine and other allies, said on “Fox News Sunday.”

“A few months later, when we’re finally getting to the end, they’re like, ‘Oh, just kidding. I actually don’t want a change in law because it’s a presidential election year,’” he added.

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 95 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The GOP doesn’t have a platform, they just have a pair of goalposts on wheels.

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Republican goalposts are red due to redshift from them moving away.

Democratic goalposts are blue because they move closer/easier. (Campaign for full healthcare, barely get out mandated healthcare markets)

I get that politics are politics, and the right did all they could to kill/maim the ACA, but I needed to complete my light spectrum.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Democrats, despite championing policies that seem to be supported by big chunks of the population are always ^just^ one or two votes short of what they need, so then they throw up their hands, "We tried, sorry... Ok, moving on to other business..." Meanwhile, Republicans will have priorities like forced child labor, killing puppies, and adding lead to drinking water that seem to consistently sail through no matter how small their majority. Democrats seem like they're really ineffective either by just bad luck or on purpose, I've never been quite sure.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

You say that like it was some schrewd devious plan on their part. And not the most natural outcome of having a slim majority. Where if only one or two people jump ship. You are unable to bring stuff to the floor for a vote, let alone pass it.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

This should be expected from conservatives. There are never qny issues or principles, just talking points and scapegoats. Conservativism is the protection and advancement of the self, the in-group that the law protects but does not bind. The "platform," the issues they choose to care about, are the ones most likely to benefit themselves, either directly or as wedge issues to incite their base of voters and donors.

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[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 70 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Hence it is not a ‘crisis’

[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 38 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] thesprongler@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I'm still waiting for taco trucks on every corner.

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 9 months ago

We don't really share a border, but once the US is saturated with taco trucks, please send some to Germany.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago (5 children)

There seems to be a 'crisis' at the border every election year and then the 'crisis' suddenly ends if Republicans get into power.

[–] Alenalda@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm still waiting for the next dangerous migrant caravan saga to come along. I expect we'll see it in the next couple months.

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[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Clearly because those traitriots fixed all the problems once they're in charge.

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[–] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I've never hated a group more than conservatives. I feel like I would be a different person if I didn't constantly hate Republican politicians and voters. I feel like I might have been a more "live love laugh" kind of person. It's just depressing at this point.

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[–] gennygameshark@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago

This just proves that the "border crisis" is nothing more than a political carrot on a stick for Republican leaders to manipulate their base with.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I for one love how Democrats called their bluff.

This completely undermines literally their only talking-point going into election season.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago (25 children)

Let me just say the bill is terrible, because it grants a wishlist of right-wing "solutions" turning the border into a militarized zone.

The "crisis" we have is turning away refugees because their skin is the wrong color.

One of my main Biden criticisms is he's been no different than Trump when it comes to the border. He's continued horrible Trump era policies that are responsible for both death and family separation.

Rather than staking a leftwing position, he's ceded all discussion about the border to the rightwing narratives. And I doubt a single person has been swayed by this.

We don't need to "protect" the border. Europe by and large did away with borders and it's been a huge stabilizing factor for them.

The whole "drug smuggling" shit is equally garbage. To the extent drugs cross the border, it's through legal ports of entry. And, it's entirely silly to build up the Mexican border when the Canadian border is basically wide open. Newsflash, drug smugglers know about Canada. Further, we have ports with giant shipping containers of goods that enter and leave the US every day. Do these rightwing idiots really believe drug smugglers wouldn't simply hide drugs in a giant container of soybeans or other food item?

There's a million ways to get drugs into the country, the one way they are the least likely to come in is via some undocumented worker looking to get a job working on a farm in Idaho.

[–] SuiXi3D@kbin.social 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Right, but it’s the kind of terrible that the GOP supposedly likes, but because they refuse to even associate with democrats much less work with them, they have a knee jerk response to anything they put forward. Nothing will get done in this country so long as the Republican Party has control over anything.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yep, it undermines their only talking-point that has been sticking.

I too agree the border crisis is entirely manufacturered. But that doesn't change the fact that independents / swing voters, and even a large chunk of Democrats have this as a major concern, with it overshadowing inflation now as the overall largest issue.

So Democrats calling Republicans' bluff will offer an excellent rebuttal to any questions or debates down the road.

Reminds me of the Key & Peele skit

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They’ve been screaming about it for 25 years without ever trying to fix it. Why would they start now?

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

They've been screaming about abortion for fifty years, yet when they finally got Roe overturned they're dead silent about it.

Almost like they want to campaign on problems not solutions, isn't it?

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I think the 2022 midterms revealed to them what a monumental fuckup that was and continues to be. They are hoping we forget somehow.

[–] Algaroth@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

We have a party just like that in Sweden as well. Literally founded by nazis. They support the current government but still complain about everything. Pure populist fascism.

[–] neidu2@feddit.nl 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

GOP doesn't want solutions, because then they have to stop screaming

[–] xpinchx@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's literally that meme with the guys jamming his bike wheel with a stick.

"There's a crisis" 🥺 "Here's a solution" 🤔 "No" 😠

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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

There is no such thing as an honest conservative. Every word uttered by a conservative is either deception or manipulation. Every word.

[–] ares35@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago

the 'deal' is a gift to the far-right in the house. but biden is in the white house, so their guy wouldn't get the credit for 'shutting the border down' when the new limits in the deal are hit.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago

Republicans Do Their Own Research! That's why they blame BIDEN for the Border!

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They want the ‘crisis’.

[–] Algaroth@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Same people who said they'd have a replacement for the affordable care act day one? It's been "stay tuned" since and nothing but static. Republicans don't even have a policy, just election talking points.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago

Republican politicians don't give a single shit about immigrants. They only rule about it because they want to rile (and rule) their base with cheap shots.

Making a country better is hard. Blaming the immigrants / blacks / Jews / gays / those different / insert whatever group you want, is easy because people hate those that are different. It's also a feedback look where these politicians purposefully increase the hatred. People filled with hate are easy to manipulate. Then you push yourself / your group forward as "the (final) solution (tm) and they'll vote for you.

Honest question to anyone, democrat or republican: when was the last time you saw a republican politician push forward or sign in law anything that wasn't in their own best interest, that wasn't a cheap shot bullshit item (hello, border wall!)? Seriously, when was the last time a republican politician put out a law that really helped the vast majority of their constituents, typically the poor and uneducated?

I can't recall.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Of course they opposed fixing something. Heaven forbid something might actually work in the US.

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