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[–] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 137 points 10 months ago (6 children)

4K is overkill enough. 8K is a waste of energy. Let’s see optimization be the trend in the next generation of graphics hardware, not further waste.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 52 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Yeah. Once games are rendering 120fps at a native 6K downscaled to an amazing looking 4K picture, then maybe you could convince me it was time to get an 8K TV.

Honestly most people sit far enough from the TV that 1080p is already good enough.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I find 4k is nice on computer monitors because you can shut off anti-aliasing entirely and still leave jagged edges behind. 1440p isn't quite enough to get there.

Also, there's some interesting ideas among emulator writers about using those extra pixels to create more accurate CRT-like effects.

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[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

*monkey's paw curls*

Granted! Everything's just internal render 25% scale and massive amounts of TAA.

[–] SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago

He said next-gen not current gen. :/

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[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 62 points 10 months ago (4 children)

A few years ago, I got a good deal on a 4K projector and setup a 135" screen on the wall. The lamp stopped working and I've put off replacing it. You know what didn't stop working? The 10+ year old Haier 1080p TV with a ding in the screen and the two cinder blocks that currently keep it from sliding across the living room floor.

[–] giantfloppycock@lemm.ee 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why does it slide across the floor? Do you live on a boat?

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago (10 children)

I wish. It's sitting on the floor and there's a rug, so the cinder blocks are in front of it at the corners. Now my bed is a little more saggy. I might need some new furniture.

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[–] teft@lemmy.world 47 points 10 months ago (7 children)

That's how I feel when people complain about 4k only being 30fps on PS5.

I laugh because my 1080p tv lets the PS5 output at like 800fps.

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[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 47 points 10 months ago (12 children)

Has anyone else here never actually bought a TV? I've been given 3 perfectly good TVs that relatives were gonna throw out when they upgraded to smart TVs. I love my dumb, free TVs. They do exactly what I need them to and nothing more. I'm going to be really sad when they kick the bucket.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

I've been using the same two TVs since 2008 and I have zero desire to upgrade.

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[–] ApexHunter@lemmy.ml 36 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Jokes on you -- I'm still using the last TV I bought in 2005. It has 2 HDMI ports and supports 1080i!

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I miss this the most, older tv models would have like over 30 ports to connect anything you wanted. All newer models just have like 1 HDMI connection if even.

To add these older screens last. New stuff just dies after a few years, or gets killed with a firmware upgrade.

PSA: Don't connect your "smart" appliances to the internet fokes.

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[–] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 10 months ago (3 children)

They should rather focus on 4k@60fps before doing shit like 8K which nobody needs.

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[–] NaoPb@eviltoast.org 31 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I've never even had 4K. All I have is 1080p and that's fine.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (8 children)

Same. I can't tell a huge difference between 1080p and 4k, if I'm being honest.

[–] MightyGalhupo@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Hell, I can’t tell ANY difference (though I do need glasses so maybe that’s got to do with it)

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[–] thespezfucker@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago

haven't tried it but I'm pretty sure you can't tell 8K from 4K anyway

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 29 points 10 months ago (10 children)

4k is the reasonable limit, combined with 120 FPS or so. Beyond that, the returns are extremely diminished and aren't worth truly considering.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 27 points 10 months ago (5 children)

8k is twice as big as 4k so it would be twice as good. Thanks for coming to my ted talk

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

One of my TVs is 720p. The other is 1080p. The quality is just fine for me. Neither is a 'smart' TV and neither connects to the internet.

I will use them until they can no longer be used.

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[–] CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (8 children)

We are at a point where 4k rtx is barely viable if you have a money tree.

Why the fuck would you wanna move to 8k?

I'm contemplating getting 1440p for my setup, as it seems a decent obtainable option.

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[–] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 10 months ago (12 children)

I have a 4K 120hz OLED TV. The difference is quite drastic compared to my old 1080p LED. It's certainly sharper, and probably the practical limit. I've also seen 8K, and, meh. I don't even care if it's noticable, it's just too expensive to be worthwhile. We should just push more frames and lower latency for now, or, the Gods forbid, optimise games properly.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I feel like resolution wasn't much of an issue even at 1080p. It was plenty. Especially at normal viewing distances.

The real advantages are things like HDR and higher framerates including VRR. I can actually see those.

I feel like we're going to have brighter HDR introduced at some point, and we'll be forced to upgrade to 8K in order to see it.

[–] HandBreadedTools@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ehhhh, I think 1080p is definitely serviceable, it's even good enough for most things. However, I think 1440p and 4k are both a pretty noticeable improvement for stuff like gaming. I can't go back to 1080p after using my 3440x1440 monitor.

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[–] ConfusedPossum@kbin.social 22 points 10 months ago (6 children)

The only time I replace electronics anymore is when something breaks or when I'm gifted someone else's hand-me-downs

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[–] SoggyBread@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Me still rocking the 1080p 42 inch I bought off a coworker for $50 10 years ago

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[–] clearleaf@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The performance difference between 1080p and 720p on my computer makes me really question if 4k is worth it. My computer isn't very good because it has an APU and it's actually shocking what will run on it at low res. If I had a GPU that could run 4k I'd just use 1080p and have 120fps all the time.

[–] pishadoot@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago

1440p is the sweet spot. Very affordable these days to hit high FPS at 1440 including the monitors you need to drive it.

1080@120 is definitely low budget tier at this point.

Check out the PC Builder YouTube channel. Guy is great at talking gaming PC builds, prices, performance.

[–] Chestnut@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Tldr: Higher resolutions afford greater screen sizes and closer viewing distances

There's a treadmill effect when it comes to higher resolutions

You don't mind the resolution you're used to. When you upgrade the higher resolution will be nicer but then you'll get used to it again and it doesn't really improve the experience

The reason to upgrade to a higher resolution is because you want bigger screens

If you want a TV for a monitor, for instance, you'll want 4k because you're close enough that you'll be and to SEE the pixels otherwise.

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[–] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (4 children)

My son is on his 3rd Dualsense controller in about 18months.

Yesterday I plugged my Xbox 360 controller into my steam deck and played Halo 3 Like an OG.

[–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yesterday I plugged my Xbox 360 controller into my steam deck and played Halo 3 Like an OG.

If you had told someone 10 years ago that you can play Halo 3 on a handheld running Linux with a OG Xbox 360 controller on Steam they would call you crazy.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 12 points 10 months ago (8 children)

The fuck is your son doing to those poor $80 controllers?

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 18 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Televisions are one if the few things that have gotten cheaper and better these last 20 years. Treat yourself and upgrade.

[–] BowtiesAreCool@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Except they turned into trash boxes in the last couple of years. Everything is a smart TV with ad potential and functionality that will eventually be unsupported. I’m holding onto my dumb TVs as long as I can.

[–] Godnroc@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Yup. Those cheap TV's are being subsidized by advertisements that are built right in. If you don't need the smart functionality, skip connecting it to the Internet. (If you can. Looking at you Roku TV's!)

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[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

But be careful of the "smart" ones. If you have a "dumb" one that is working fine, keep it. I changed mine last year and I don't like the new "smart" one. IDGAF about Netflix and Amazon Prime buttons or apps. And now I'm stuck with a TV that boots. All I want is to use the HDMI input but the TV has to be "on" all the times because it runs android. So if I unplug the TV, it has to boot an entire operating system before it can show you the HDMI input.

I don't use any "smart" feature and I would very much have preferred to buy a "dumb" TV but "smart" ones are actually cheaper now.

Same for my parents. They use OTA with an antenna and their new smart TV has to boot into the tuner mode instead of just... showing TV. Being boomers they are confused as to why a TV boots into a menu where they have to select TV again to use it.

New TVs may be cheap, but it's because of the "smart" "spying" function, and they are so annoying. I really don't like them.

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[–] AbsurdityAccelerator@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My 46" Sharp Aquos that I paid $2,000 for in 2004 is still chugging along like a champ. It's been used nearly daily.

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[–] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 10 months ago (5 children)

My takeaway from this comment section is that smart TVs are straight from hell and should be treated as such. It is very important, that you get a TV BEFORE smart TVs were a thing.

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[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Lol my phone has the best GPU and display in my house, and has raw specs of half the ram and cores of my 2012 desktop 😹

At work all day I remind people that a container with 1 vcpu and 2GB of ram is like running on a ten year old phone, theoretically 🙃

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I game at 1440p. The day my 1080ti dies will be a sad day indeed.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 12 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Honestly don't see the necessity. I've had the same computer monitor for 17 years.

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[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (8 children)

How many Ks is real life resolution and at how many fps does it run?

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 10 points 10 months ago

It’s funny that we got to retina displays, which were supposed to be the highest resolution you’d ever need for the form factor, and then manufacturers just kept making higher and higher resolutions anyway because Number Go Up. I saw my first 8K laptop around this time and the only notable difference was that the default font size was unreadable.

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