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[-] aew360@lemm.ee 119 points 4 months ago

Because Putin is bankrolling two or three minor political parties and the front runner of a major political party. That fucking anti-war protest in DC was the dumbest shit. Yeah let’s have two political parties that agree on absolutely fucking nothing except for hating Ukraine co-host an event where Ron Paul’s bitch ass makes up stories about how congresspeople told him that they needed to start a war to fix the economy while some limpdick tankie waves the Soviet flag around in the background

[-] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 48 points 4 months ago

Most people posting as tankies today aren’t tankies.

As someone who has done extensive reading in modern Marxism, Rawlsian doctrine, anarchism both historical and modern, and so on and so on (and yes that was a Žižek reference), many of those posting as far leftists are coming from wholly self-constructed positions. They’re either deliberately playing the role of an agent provocateur or they’re people who have unwittingly become broadcast nodes with the same effect.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 43 points 4 months ago

Tankies on Lemmy are 100% right wing trolls pretending to be leftists. They aren't even trying to hide it at this point.

[-] aew360@lemm.ee 47 points 4 months ago

One of them on chapotraphouse said “I’m gonna vote for Trump just so see the US finally burn to the ground” and I replied “horseshoe theory: confirmed” and the mods removed my comment lmao

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 26 points 4 months ago

I've had one case on lemmy.ml where they deleted many of my comments but kept the brigading comments responding.

There are definitely lines that some mods will defer to one side.

[-] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

I opened accounts on multiple instances due to the instability (and information propagation dynamics) of individual ones. I figured “why not?” I had several Reddit accounts, after all, and it just seemed to make sense.

I thought lemmy.ml was for machine learning. The UI I was using didn’t include self-descriptions.

[-] Zirconium@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Someone accused me of denying the Holocaust because I said Poland didn't invade the Soviet union

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[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 26 points 4 months ago

Cosplay communists. They don't actually believe in communism, they just like the esthetic and being contrarian.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They’re either deliberately playing the role of an agent provocateur or they’re people who have unwittingly become broadcast nodes with the same effect.

That's... a tankie, at least functionally. If they're spouting the propaganda, I don't care where it came from or whether it's officially certified as doctrine.

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 13 points 4 months ago

and so on and so on (and yes that was a Žižek reference)

"And sho on" [sniff] "and sho forth."

Unironically Zizek is very fascinating though.

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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

At this point I think he's probably bankrolling a lot more than just the front runner.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

We've known that for close to a decade now. Let's not forget that a bunch of traitors spent July 4th in Moscow and that Paul Ryan said that trump and a few others in Congress were getting paid by russia

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 56 points 4 months ago

Because we have a fascism problem if you haven’t noticed

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 50 points 4 months ago

I’m assuming America’s #1 enemy is other Americans who don’t look or behave like them.

[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 40 points 4 months ago

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 44 points 4 months ago

When I cleared out my grandma's attic there were her ww2 correspondence letters with soldiers on the front.

I was not prepared for the amount of american soldiers writing about how wonderful Hitler was and we shouldn't be at war in Europe because the real enemy were the Reds.

"Heil Hitler and Fuck the Reds!" is a line from one.

It really put the inevitability of the Cold War into perspective.

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[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 42 points 4 months ago

[-] qwrty@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago

This is really nitpicky. When there is war, there is anti-war protest.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 43 points 4 months ago

Yeah these guys weren't anti war. They were pro Hitler.

Kind of like the GOP is pro Putin.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 months ago

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-preparedness-the-road-to-universal-slaughter

"Forty years ago Germany proclaimed the slogan: “Germany above everything. Germany for the Germans, first, last and always. We want peace; therefore we must prepare for war. Only a well armed and thoroughly prepared nation can maintain peace, can command respect, can be sure of its national integrity.” And Germany continued to prepare, thereby forcing the other nations to do the same. The terrible European war is only the culminating fruition of the hydra-headed gospel, military preparedness. "

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

She's absolutely right. And she identifies the core problem too. It only takes one country. So we're trapped by the prisoner's dilemma. There is a multiverse slice out there somewhere where Democracy solved these issues because proponents of military build ups were voted out everywhere. But it's not our universe. As long as there's a state building hard power to fuck with other countries we're all trapped.

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[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago

For Iraq, the anti-war protests were really popular.

When France told the truth about the whole situation at the UN, the whole US population was right behind them and protested en masse in the streets.

Or maybe I misremember...

[-] Hobo@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The only thing I remember is a bunch of restaurant owners changed french fries to freedom fries. I also was living in a fairly rural (redneck) area at the time. Depending on how long they stayed "Freedom Fries" really spoke volumes about the type, and quality, of the food that was served.

Up for a short amount of time: Food is probably fine. Restaurant owner was bandwagoning and probably didn't want to alienate his clientele.
Up for several months to a year: More likely to be greasy spoon type place. The food is probably okay with only a smallish (5-10%) chance of explosive diarrhea after eating there.
Up for 1-2 years: Literally every menu item has gravy on it somehow. You could probably order a piece if dry white bread it would come pre-soaked in gravy. You have about a 50/50 chance of shitting your brains out after eating here
Still "Freedom Frying" 2-3 years on: These places serve rat meat. It's the only explanation for how they are in business. Expect everything to have a weird taste like stale Marlboros. The people that own/work in the restaurant couldn't collectively come up with a full set of teeth combined. Food poisoning is part of the experience.
"Fredum Frys" in 2024: This is front. You should not ever eat here. You will most likely get food poisoning from walking in the front door. Those french fries are actually surplus from the Iraq invasion. They make meth in the back and their cook has a loaded pistol sitting on the counter.

[-] N0body@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Story time: I went to an Iraq War protest back in the day. Some people wandered out of the protest zone and (to be completely fair, I didn't see what started the altercation) got their asses beat by the cops. One brave kid stood out from the crowd and said, "Come on, guys! We have to help them!" We all looked at each other and were like, "Uh... no." The brave lad then charged in and promptly got his ass beat by the cops. The war still happened.

[-] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago

Holy shit Americans are lame. No wonder your country sucks so much. In the civilised world that would've been a full on brawl, and they'd have burnt down the police station later for good measure.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 16 points 4 months ago

Yeah, I mean the Vietnam war wasn't without protest, and nor was the Gulf.

Always hard to know which side of history they're going to be on though. Some wars are justified. You don't want to be the guy holding the Hitler Did Nothing Wrong sign when the guy from down the road is sifting for teeth in a pile of ash.

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[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 36 points 4 months ago

Because the half of the country that drools over the prospect of sending American sons and daughters to their death love dictators, like Putin, and hate liberals, like that Zelenskyy guy (I hear he's not even a Christian!)

[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I’d be more concerned with Europe neglecting their militaries for decades

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Because Daddy America and NATO would protect them.

Europe really should have formed its own pan-europa defense organisation during the years that NATO was getting softer.

[-] cashews_win@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

No it's because we survived 2 VERY destructive world wars in our homes and don't have the stomach for massive military operations anymore.

Add to that the numerous laws and constitutional bans against building militaries too large (supported by America!). Austria constitutionally forced to remain neutral, Finland forced to remain neutral due to Russia, etc.

Do you really no tunderstand why Germany was discouraged and was resistant to building it's military after two fucking world wars it started?

Really?

It's not as simple as you make out. Europe also isn't one country and one law.

Someone in this thread said Americans are reticent to support Ukraine because of pointless wars in the Middle East. Well imagine how fucking reticent you'd be if a massive chunk of your population died fighting wars in your own homes and back yard?

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[-] PilferJynx@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

Hindsight sure is sharp. We're a short sighted reactionary species.

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[-] Miaou@jlai.lu 10 points 4 months ago

Ah right, UK and France, two countries known for their pacifist ways. Or Finland and Poland, countries totally not ready to defend against a Russian offensive.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

They havnt. Its literally only when you compare directly to America that their militaries seem sub par.

Britain or France alone could go toe to toe with Russia in a conventional war. And would utterly dominate basically any county on the planet other than China Russia or the US. If it ever came to an all out war between Europe and Russia, Russia wouldn't stand a chance. There would be Eurofighters over Moscow within a week.

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[-] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 11 points 4 months ago

They're so patriotic, they can't sell out their country to its biggest enemy fast enough.

[-] Vytle@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Because they aren't killing arabs

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