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[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 104 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's insurmountable hypocrisy. Just zero self-awareness.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 85 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's not at all. The Muslim man is fine using non Muslim sex workers, because he views non Muslims as lesser, and dirty.

Upon learning the woman was Muslim he called out that she was defiling herself, by acting like the lesser humans.

Similarly, he probably felt bad about himself because his use of a sex worker who was Muslim was more objectionable than if he found a non Muslim sex worker.

It's internally consistent but absolutely shitty.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 months ago

When you believe that YOUR god is the right one, groupthink tends towards supremacy of the religion and its followers.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 62 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's pretty much islam in a nutshell.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 84 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

Especially sex cults! Mostly because I'm not invited.

[–] BumbleBeeButt@lemmy.zip 24 points 9 months ago

I include all the cults of Abraham in this.

[–] Granite@kbin.social 78 points 9 months ago (5 children)

So by this logic, it’s totally fine to “defile” someone who isn’t Muslim? Wtf.

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 53 points 9 months ago (3 children)

It's just that the man when buying sex is not (as much) sinning, but the woman who allows him to buy sex is very much sinning.

[–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago

Ah, religion.

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

not (as much) sinning

So like, is it just his cock and balls that go to hell?

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

You ever see an angel with a dick?

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 9 months ago

Unclean hooers.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Absolutely. Like medieval Christians couldn't lend money to each other with interest, so they just found a Jewish person, and used them as an intermediary as they could lend/owe with interest to non Christians just fine lol

And my medieval example is completely topical cause these religions have hardly advanced since then.

[–] Shenanigore@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago

What is this, a god for loopholes?

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There's a lot of this in Abrahamic scripture. The nice treatment of slaves, for instance, only applies to fellow Israelites who sell themselves into servitude. Non-Israelites can be bought, sold, kept forever, bred (and their kids are slaves too), and even killed with impunity.

Biblical scholar Dan McClellan notes that people from every age have to negotiate with sacred texts to affirm the ethos of their time and explain away those parts that don't work anymore. And this is true with all religions whether Jewish, Hellenic, Wotanic, Shinto or whatever.

So yes, in Islam, sex work is haram until it isn't.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I remember when Dan said that yelling at the podcast "hey you don't have to do anything. Just admit the texts are garbage and there is no god."

It is so so much easier knowing that I will never have to explain away slavery again.

[–] Shenanigore@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

That's literally in their book, it's not even rape. let alone wrong at all, if the victim isn't Muslim, with a small exception for married women regardless of faith.

[–] Lightdm@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Could you point me to where it is in the quran?

[–] Shenanigore@lemm.ee -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Quran 2:223 & 65:4, and the Hadith Qudsi.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I looked at the verses you mentioned, and did not find what you’re stating. Also, HQ is not a verse per se, as far as I can tell from looking it up.

[–] Shenanigore@lemm.ee -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] nifty@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Unreliable source, have you read it? The evidence they cite for their interpretation of the Quran has nothing to do with the content therein.

[–] Shenanigore@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I'm starting to feel you know and just don't like it. Which is fair, it's kinda awful.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

No I don’t know, so I could be wrong. I am not making any claims about being a religious scholar or learned in this. But just reading what’s written in those verses and comparing it against the text of the wiki, I can’t logically make the connection between the interpretation and the source material. Anyway, I wouldn’t worry about proving your point, religious texts (especially of the Abrahamic variety) have been ruining lives since their inception. Hopefully we can move on as a society while condemning people who rely on religious texts to persecute or subjugate.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Well if course. The other tribes are humans but not people. This is pretty freaken universal for conservatives everywhere.

[–] blahsay@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago

You're looking for logic in the wrong place

[–] IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee 39 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ah, yes. The degree of sin is inversely congruent to the length of your clitoris.

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Then why do they paint and sculpt angels with tiny pps

[–] IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago

Pps, clits, same difference biologically speaking.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 34 points 9 months ago

Classic Abrahamic reasoning.

[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 27 points 9 months ago (1 children)

nah from what i read their prophet started out declaring 3 women to be the right legit amount and when getting older he increased the number. like the pervert that guy was, his followers now are.

[–] optissima@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygyny_in_Islam

If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.
— Qur'an, Sura 4 (An-Nisa), Ayah 3[1]

so you start out with 2, 3 or 4 and then proceed to have at least 9 wives.

[–] optissima@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

How does this indicate that he changed it as he aged?

Reading through the page...

Noteworthy was the fact that it was customary for men to marry women without limit, a practice that ended with the advent of the Qur'an and its divine revelation.

So it increased as he aged but it was bigger before?

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

"Prostitutes are going to hell anyway, so might as well fuck 'em."

Also, "I'm still pure, I'm not the one who's female while selling my trade." this is how the goddamned Middle Ages remain among us. Lazy mindless hypocrisy.
Both monetizing their bodies, yet somehow this asshole is above it all, sees it fit to preach at the end, probably drove off with a smug superiority on one hand, on the other that inescapable self-hatred bubbling mighty close to the surface, post-orgasm. They know there's something wrong, and they zeroed in on the wrong thing while yelling "Mary had a little lamb little lamb little lamb".

It's like in that John Waters film Pecker, when some kid gets caught with no pants at a gay bar - "Mom, I'm not queer! Queers blow me! I'm still straight!"

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This hypocrisy is not an Islam or Muslim issue or unique to this religion. Racists like pretending otherwise, and then justifying genocide in Palestine.

[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

First sentence: 10/10, this comment is going someplace good.

Second Sentence: how did we get to Palestine? What happened?

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sorry! I kinda made a leapt because that’s the kind of rhetoric I see around. Maybe unneeded in this case.

[–] NoFun4You@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

Just one more baby, that'll teach Hamas

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

he said between bites of his McRib

[–] Landmammals@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago
[–] multicolorKnight@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What I want to know is: did he have sex with her anyway?

[–] Kase@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Yes. As it would turn out, they both had a ~~punishment~~ hell kink, so this exchange only got them more excited ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)