Biden gets 80% of the vote in the Michigan primary.
Trump gets 66% of the vote in the Michigan primary.
Media: Major rebuke to Biden! It could make him lose Michigan in the general!
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And I bet most of those who voted against Biden would vote for Biden because it's about democracy.
- Signed some one who would vote for uncommitted if he was in MI, but would vote for Biden in the general.
You're mixing up the Democratic and Republican primaries. Trump was running against Haley whereas Biden was unopposed.
So Biden supporters had even less reason to show up and vote for him than Trump supporters. Thus underestimating Biden support.
Whereas protest voters had more reason to show up to nonvote against Biden.
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They're muddying the waters.
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Not sure what the percentages of the separate ballots have to do with this. Do you think the same amount of people voted in the democrat and republican primaries?
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Make no mistake. His stance on Israel could make him lose.
He's still got my vote...
The alternative is Trump and the end of democracy in our nation. If you're not terrified of Trump winning in November, you either haven't been paying attention or you're a moron.
Vote Biden. Not because you agree or disagree with his war policies or think he's been a good or bad president. Vote because the alternative is so much worse. Vote because we literally have Nazis schmoozing publicly with the other party like it's no big deal! Vote because you don't want an actual rapist in office! Vote because you want to be able to vote again in 4 years. Vote because you want your children to grow up in a nation that's still free.
Just fucking vote!
Which is insane given that the man to whom he'd lose would be far worse for Palestineans...
The only way it makes sense is if the people who'd not vote over Israel don't actually care about Palestineans so much as being on the "right"/socially cool side of the issue. Otherwise not voting for Biden over trump because of Israel is like refusing to ride home with your friend because they had a beer and instead hopping in the car with the guy who was slamming tequila all night.
It seems very much to me like people trying to keep some ideal of purity for themselves, and if someone who unironically says, "genocide Joe" would care to correct me I'm listening, but it's unclear how letting the guy who changed the us stance on settlements being unlawful to being totally cool win because of your unwillingness to recognize that this world is actively on fire, and we have to live with whatever future we steer to regardless.
"If you decide not to decide, you still have made a choice."
Are you really expecting someone who lost relatives in Gaza to vote for the guy who had the power to do something about it and didn't?
This campaign is telling Biden that there's a voting block that holds the balance of power in a swing state, and all he has to do to get their votes is pick up the phone, tell Bibi to wrap it up or he gets no more weapons (and yes, it is that simple. Reagan did it when Israel invaded Lebanon).
But instead of meeting voters where they are, Democrats seem to fall back to their usual MO of blaming voters, instead of winning votes by doing things that are popular with voters.
It makes them feel better to think it's just online leftists doing purity politics rather than a deeply angered population who have been giving him every opportunity to turn away from this and mostly just treated as an inconvenience.
It's either online purity politics or damn near zero understanding of consequences.
"I don't like what Biden didn't do for Palestinias, I'm going to help someone who would be way worse for Palestinians! Yay!"
If I shoot your son and explain credibly why the other guy would have also shot your daughter, that’s a cold comfort.
To be clear, you're choosing the guy who'd shoot both?
I’m explaining why people don’t want to choose either, because both of them will kill their children.
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People have outright stated to me that they are doing purity politics. While I cannot prove that every single person I suggest is likely doing so, is actually doing so, I am not making such claims in a vacuum.
You took a handful of anecdotes from your online life and decided "I understand the electorate"? Do you think ~15% of Michigan is online leftists?
Any excuse necessary to continue support for genocide. It's interesting to see the very first policy centrists don't immediately abandon when they encounter pressure.
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The only way it makes sense is if the people who'd not vote over Israel don't actually care about Palestineans so much as being on the "right"/socially cool side of the issue.
This is it. Politics is messy, and people don't want to get their hands dirty making a hard choice.
I think those people would think that defending Biden from critique over Palestine is more of an indication of not caring than protesting against it by threatening not to vote for him.
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True, just another reason that could make him lose in 2024.
Yep.
Billionaires own the media, and billionaires really really really want to make sure the furthest left America goes is neoliberals.
So anything that isn't 100% Biden gets shouted down as undemocratic, which is so hypocritical it almost breaks my brain.
Biden is a bad candidate, and ignoring it and running him anyways it what may allow trump to win.
If trump wins, billionaires are fine. If Biden wins, they're still fine.
The only way they lose is if instead of Biden there's someone who's platform matches what Dem voters want.
The problem is anti-Biden proponents never provide a viable candidate who can beat both Trump and Biden in November when asked to do so.
Whinge about Biden all you want, but unless an alternative is provided, it's shouting into the void at best and helping Trump at worst.
I support what Michigan did, and I hope Biden gets the message, but I also hope they're not so far up their own asses that they forget that handing the presidency to Trump in November won't actually solve the problem of genocide and will likely bring along other human rights violations.
They've proposed Sanders twice, and while he's not running this time (and at this stage too old), he beat Trump by huge margins in every head to head poll, both cycles. Unfortunately the corporate media made sure they pushed their corporate friendly candidates (Clinton in 2016, Biden in 2020) instead of creating a fair playing field.
You could see in this cycle as well where Marianne Williamson and Dean Phillips did not get any airtime, while on the Republican side candidates that were polling below 1% got entire CNN town halls. (Not to mention how third party candidates get treated).
The problem is anti-Biden proponents never provide a viable candidate who can beat both Trump and Biden in November when asked to do so.
Plus Gavin Newsom has already told these people to fuck off.
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ITT: pro-genocide centrists making excuses for ignoring the results.
They always shift right when it's an election year and you don't fall in line. I call it the "we don't need you" strategy. They did it to Bernie supporters too.
ignoring what results?
biden beat uncommitted 6 to 1.
uncommitted finished slightly higher than what uncommitted normally runs.
what you have in this thread are people trying to convince themselves that barely getting more of a percentage of the vote that uncommitted normally gets is a huge statement because a lot of people voted for their issue, while totally ignoring the number of people who voted overall and the other reasons why people would vote uncommitted.
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in 2012 uncommitted got 11% of the vote against actual human being running for reelection barack obama.
as of this moment uncommitted is. getting just under 15%. the other actual human being running for the dem nomination has barely under 3%.
unless all of those uncommitted voters don't vote for biden in november I don't see biden in any trouble, especially if those uncommitted democratic voters are made up by by around 30% of haley voters.
what this does tell me is that there is a major bias against biden in the media, as if they are actively reporting the news to make it seem like biden has some major electoral issues when a) trump has even bigger issues than biden and b) the numbers are simply not telling that story.
They haven't counted the Arab American counties yet. Dearborn is showing unofficially 75% uncommitted per CNN.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
President Joe Biden may have handily won the Michigan Democratic primary on Tuesday, but the results came with a significant warning sign for his continued support for Israel.
It's largely the result of the "Listen to Michigan" campaign, an effort to get voters to withhold support for Biden until Israel enacts a permanent cease-fire in Gaza.
The campaign has been led by Layla Elabed, a Michigan activist and the younger sister of Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib, the only Palestinian American member of Congress.
The results illustrate the unique challenges that Biden faces in the crucial battleground state amid the war in Gaza, where almost 30,000 Palestinians have been killed since the October 7 Hamas attacks.
Tens of thousands of Muslim-Americans and Arab-Americans live in Dearborn and metropolitan Detroit, including some whose family members have been killed in recent months.
In 2012, when President Barack Obama faced a non-competitive reelection and there was no organized effort to push voters to cast uncommitted ballots, 20,833 did so anyway, accounting for 10.7% of the vote.
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