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Dunno. But fascism is what happens after it succeeds.

I'm leaning into the right of this meme more and more with every passing day

The dystopian cyberpunk future William Gibson tried to warn us about.

Spoiler: We're already living in it.

"The future is already here, it's just not evenly distributed."

Fascism. It’s fascism.

Economic and social collapse dislocates a lot of people. It dislocates people who think they shouldn’t be dislocated, because they played by the rules. They go to church, they had a job, they’re patriotic to their best understanding of the word.

Then, in their minds, something must have changed. It might be the immigrants, or the Jews, or the gays, or weirdly drag queens for some reason this time around. Then someone comes along who validates them as victims and promises a return to their historical glory days.

The last paroxysm is the election or ascendency of a far right populist who elevates that narrative. They promise to restore national pride and return to traditional values, and to return the nation to its roots which had made it strong and put them on top.

It’s happened multiple times around the world, and there are a lot of books and articles on how and why it happens.

It doesn't fail. It succeeds horribly.

If there isn't a large Socialist coalition to combat fascism, then fascism will rise before collapsing even harder. If there is a large Socialist coalition, and that coalition successfully combats the fascist powers, then some form of Socialism will likely replace it, and humanity can continue progressing instead of regressing.

After capitalism,

1. All firms should be democratic worker coops. The legal system would recognize the inalienable right to workers' control.
2. Land and natural resources should be collectively owned with revenue from private use of this collective property going out as a UBI. The atmosphere is included and any carbon fees are included.
3. Pools of collectivized capital democratically controlled by workers in member worker coops. Each worker coop leases all its capital from the pool

I remember reading a Guardian article in which it discussed the requirements of any market to either evolve or die based on the circumstances it finds itself in.

It highlighted that because Communism could not adapt quickly enough to its circumstances that it failed - the centrally governing authority were not able to efficiently or effectively govern the market at the time. Leading to multiple issues.

I would like to see the evolution of Capitalism. That we do not view everything only through an economic lens- there needs to be environmental, societal and political factors which must also be taken into account.

That and personal accountability and responsibility for business practices. For example you can pollute that waterway but we will take all your profits and you go to jail for 30years

Neo-feudalism, then the thinning of the herd once high levels of automation are achieved.

Reading the comments here reminds me of that Slavoj Žižek/ Fredric Jameson quote:

It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.

Post scarcity anarchism. I suggest you read Walkaway by Cory Doctorow. It made me into a (re)believer.

Feel free to pirate the book. Mr. Doctorow doesn't mind. He walks the walk.

techno feudalism

It already has failed. This is what comes after.

With the way things are going, a return to out and out fascism.

We're just going to revisit all the classics. Company towns, fuedalism, etc. The wasted potential is just sickening.

Mass starvation.

"Fail" or "Succeed" is based on your perspective.

Capitalism won't fail. It's a great success to the rich who get richer by manipulating it.

Capitalism is a success, just not for us or anyone we know.

The 1% don't give a shit about that. If they did it wouldn't be an issue in the first place.

Corporate feudalism was a fun concept I played with in high school, but now that I'm older, I think I was just approaching the concepts of a lot of modern cyberpunk settings portrayed.

Could be a Star Trek “utopia”. Technology lets us figure out how to solve resource allocation.

A mass die off

Depends on the place. A cycle of failures is a feature of capitalism, it's the opportunity for the next future failure to rise up and take charge. For great profit.

Lots of power struggles until one faction comes out on top (this includes subjugation and the equivalent of puppet states) or, less likely, those involved reach an agreement of coexistence.

Sometimes I think that humanity not breaking up into smaller groups after they passed a size of ~200 was a serious mistake.

We return to bigger army diplomacy.

Jk, we never left that system.

Anarchy, of the Mad Max variety because when capitalism finally fails, it's gonna be because they completely destroyed the fucking world.

Neo-stoneage.

Society fragments into a bunch of smaller communities. Some will be relatively nice, some very much will not

Chaos and war, probably.

Capitalism doesn't "fail" per se. Capitalism is actually the default. All other systems require some kind of active intervention and oversight.

Capitalism simply "wins" due to being the best at making the most money. Whether that actually benefits humanity is a crapshoot.

Countries can set up some kind of socialist system, but things will "default" back to capitalism when corruption and/or stupidity inevitably happen.

If pop culture is to be believed, the country boys will go back to hunting and farming. At least until the diesel runs out. They'll fight off the free loading hoards from the city looking for food until the ammunition runs out.

Lemmyreddit finds a new political/economic system to constantly be bitter at.

Sadly , the country supports gun ownership strongly. It is probably going to be a black summer deal.

Automation powered socialism or famine. Depends where you live I guess. Some places will fare better than others. I think predictive factors will be level of corruption and magnitude of wealth gap as well as general education of populace.

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