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[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 72 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Sincere thanks to the uncommitted voters out there, we wouldn't have gotten this without some pressure

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 38 points 6 months ago

The other day I saw a comment that essentially read "You have no leverage, how dare democratic voters try to vote uncommitted" I want to express my deep thanks to everyone who rejected the apathetic pity party and, while acknowledging they'll probably vote for Biden regardless, tried to hold his feet to the fire.

Politics is very appearance based, Democrats are often terrible at this and hesitate to call votes that they know will fail to force people to be on record. Your voice does make a difference even if it doesn't feel like it will.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Do you want Trump to win?!?! /s

But seriously, we need to keep the pressure up until a permanent ceasefire.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I know /s, but what those uncritical white liberals don't recognize, is that Biden can't win without pivoting 180 on his prior position of Gaza.

Failing to be critical of the candidate and holding them accountable ensures their failure.

Pivoting on Gaza will be the start of Biden rebuilding his campaign, because right now, he's made all the wrong moves and has around a 1-10, 1-20 chance of actually winning. He needs to be beating Trump nationally by 5 points to have this thing locked up. He's trailing Trump nationally, outside of the margin of error. That's not just 'bad' that's DISASTROUS for a Democratic candidate once you account for redstate gerrymandering and the fact that Trump consistently outperforms polling.

Biden needs to cater to his actual base, not Republicans. He wont win if he doesn't.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Presidential elections are nearly all statewide and therefore nearly immune to gerrymandering.

And Trump is underperforming polling.

[–] almar_quigley@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

He has a 1-10 chance to win? You are out of your mind. He’s got problems but he is not that far off from winning, if at all. This change on Gaza is a great step forward but don’t act like he’s just terrible otherwise. He’s no where near ideal but don’t forsake mostly good to ok for bad.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 4 points 6 months ago

People on here live in tiny bubbles thinking the better option is to primary Biden for some no-name person who has probably already conceded. As if the tiny American progressive vote can outnumber the incredible centrist bloc and mostly apathetic Americans who vote on surface-level politics and name recognition.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago

ETA to Israel "accidentally" destroying the port?

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 28 points 6 months ago (3 children)

The port will be built by US military engineers operating from ships off the Gaza coast, who will not need to step ashore, US officials said.

The White House said that the operation would not involve boots on the ground, as the port and its temporary pier could be built from off the coast.

This seems to be a key aspect of the thing, if there are no US soldiers in Gaza accompanying aid shipments, the IDF can keep attacking the shipments "by mistake", right?

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Even if they are, Israeli forces have attacked and killed Americans before

Probably eventually what's going to be needed is escorted aid shipments and a public statement that any aggression by Israel against American actions in Gaza will get a proportional response against Israeli armed forces.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

aggression by Israel against American actions in Gaza will get a proportional response against Israeli armed forces

I'd say that's heavily implied after the Liberty tbh and Israel would know it. Fool me once and all that.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago

I'd imagine the US will ensure the food reaches Gaza, the issue is that Hamas may still intercept it before it reaches civilians. In war zones like this you really need peacekeepers on the ground - ideally in kitchens where civilians can be allowed to eat in peace. As soon as people leave the safe site there's a risk someone with a gun will just take the supplies from them.

And just to clarify, I don't like either Hamas or Netanyahu... none of this shit would be necessary if the IDF wasn't purposefully blocking aide from being shipped over ground connections. This is a solution to a problem the IDF caused.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

How long until that gets bombed then blamed on the Palestinian people?

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago

It’ll probably be used to bring in aid for Gaza, like new missiles for Israel or tractors so settlers can clear the land to build themselves new houses.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We get to spend money BUILDING the port AND Destroying the port!

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 6 months ago

We are helping Israel use less bombs by gathering everyone in one location. Come on silly 🪿

[–] notannpc@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Spineless bastard needs to also stop sending money and weapons to the people committing war crimes.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And to stop supporting Netanyahu at the UN.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

He can’t do anything Jack! Didn’t you know he’s literally the most useless president ever who’s hands are tied at every occasion?

What’re you a Trump supporter? Now support this tough on the border bill based on Republican values that also gives billions to Israel.

[–] Lugh@futurology.today 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

So this is a roundabout way of saying the Israelis were about to add famine to their list of war crimes.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 16 points 6 months ago

The flour massacre shows they were already doing that. Corralling them all into small areas, denying aid is just slow starvation.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

The UN and IPC have been trying to tell you this since mid January. IPC are the guys who track food stress and actually declare a famine.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Why you're supporting the destruction and recreation of the same place, we may never know

[–] Klicnik@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 months ago

PR. It's like the bully in an 80s movie telling the teacher that the kid he's giving a wedgie is actually his friend.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

Money. Training. Supplying the post genocide settlers.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That’s cool n shit, but probably better to just cut off all foreign aid and weapons sales to Israel.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yes I'm sure feeding these people who are literally starving to death will make no difference to them right?

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Ignoring the rhetorical, if the us doesn't also run the distribution of said aid, it won't make much difference to those starving people since the IDF will simply shoot them when they go to get the food.

So the answer is "no"

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

“Fuck it let’s continue bombing them, drop off some food while we’re at it.”

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Why don't they just strap the food to the bombs and save time for everyone involved?

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 7 points 6 months ago

This new significant capability will take a number of weeks to plan and execute.

I hope the Palestinians can hang in there until then. The children have already started dying of starvation.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 6 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


US forces will build a temporary port on the Gaza shoreline in the next few weeks to allow delivery of humanitarian aid on a large scale, Joe Biden will announce in the State of the Union speech.

This is a moment for American leadership,” a senior US official said on Thursday, reflecting growing frustration of what is seen in Washington as Israeli obstruction of road deliveries on a substantial scale.

“Tonight, the president will announce in his State of the Union address that he has directed the US military to undertake an emergency mission to establish a port in Gaza, working in partnership with like minded countries and humanitarian partners,” the official said.

In his State of the Union speech, Biden will also announce the opening of a new land crossing into the occupied and devastated coastal strip.

Biden has been fiercely criticised within his own party for the failure to open up Gaza to humanitarian aid, with a famine looming and 30,000 Palestinians dead already since the start of war on 7 October.

“We will coordinate with the Israelis on the security requirements on land and work with the UN and humanitarian NGOs on the distribution of assistance within Gaza,” a senior official said.


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[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Aid, or bait?