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submitted 2 years ago by ko4la@lemmynsfw.com to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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[–] ransom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 2 years ago

nerd

[–] Oliper202020@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well i do it for both reasons, but also piracy isn't theft

[–] SuperSecretThrowaway@lemmynsfw.com 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Piracy is more fun when it's principled anyways

[–] Oliper202020@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Yep, I'm mostly doing it right now to create my own streaming service with jellyfin, and all the radarr and overseerr and the others with the pirate themed names, though currently my server computer aint powerful enough, so i need to upgrade it, and i dont even pay for streaming, my parents does, but when i move out i dont want to pay for it

[–] ko4la@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 years ago

a true enjoyer

[–] aloeha@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

Piracy isn't theft tho

[–] honey-im-meat-grinding@kbin.social 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@db0 / @sunbrothersco does this fall under the low quality post rule? I'm asking this because I don't want to see !piracy becoming just as bad as r/piracy was, if it is going to increasingly be memes I'd rather find another piracy discussion place in the fediverse

[–] Sentinian@lemmy.one 11 points 2 years ago

I would hope this falls under low quality. The meme isn't even decently made, poorly cropped. Come on people

[–] youthinkyouknowme@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm cheap and like free shit

[–] Snipe_AT@lemmy.atay.dev -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

especially at the cost of others

[+] FiftyShadesOfMyCow@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

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[–] Snipe_AT@lemmy.atay.dev -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

just saying that people not paying for things increases the overall cost of those things. the collective of normies pays your fair share.

embrace it my dude, it is what it is.

[–] Necronomicommunist@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Theft might do that, but piracy doesn't.

[+] Snipe_AT@lemmy.atay.dev -6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would disagree.

If a person purchases entertainment then the overall revenue and profit for that product would be increased. This increase in profitability from last product reduces the pressure to increase prices for future products.

What occurs with piracy is that a person that may have otherwise purchased the product, not do so; lowering the profit of the company and driving increases in price to remain profitable. While this is not the case for people that would otherwise not buy the product at all, there are still a number of pirates that would pay for something if a pirated version did not exist, and so there is an effect.

I'm not attacking you personally, I'm simply stating that piracy is not victimless. I think we should all taking ownership for the harm we cause others even if it is something small.

[–] Necronomicommunist@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Piracy is victimless, as it doesn't remove something from the creator. Taking something away would make them a victim. Me not buying a game and not engaging at all with it is the same as not buying a game but still playing it.

You assume every piece of pirated media would otherwise be bought, this is not true at all.

[–] Snipe_AT@lemmy.atay.dev -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You assume every piece of pirated media would otherwise be bought, this is not true at all.

It seems like you didn’t read all of what I wrote and instead only saw the last section. I did not assume that and reaffirm that piracy does in fact have victims.

While this is not the case for people that would otherwise not buy the product at all, there are still a number of pirates that would pay for something if a pirated version did not exist, and so there is an effect.

[–] Necronomicommunist@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, I read it. It just has little to no bearing on the point, which is that there is still no victim. The makers of a game don't lose anything. They just don't realize a gain. A pirate is just as bad, and only as bad, as someone who doesn't make a purchase.

[–] Snipe_AT@lemmy.atay.dev -5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

No, I read it.

Then why did you state that I assumed something where, I can clearly point out where I did not assume that? I guess maybe I just wasn't being clear, or maybe stating it in a convoluted way?

The makers of a game don’t lose anything.

I'm not arguing that the makers of the game are the victim. I'm arguing that the other consumers are. By some people pirating content that they would otherwise pay for, they are are passing on the cost of that content on to others. Normies are the victims of pirating.

I have this feeling that you don't want to be painted as a bad guy and again, I'm not attacking you personally. I'm again reaffirming that piracy does in fact have victims.

[–] Necronomicommunist@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Then are consumers also victim to people who refuse to buy the game because they are simply not interested? The mechanism is the same.

[–] Snipe_AT@lemmy.atay.dev -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The harm is only caused by those that would have bought the game if the avenue of piracy did not exist.

[–] Necronomicommunist@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And the harm is in no way different from someone not buying the game because they aren't interested in the game.

[–] Snipe_AT@lemmy.atay.dev -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, there is a difference, and my apologies for not responding to your statement about the mechanism.

The mechanism of harm caused by the first group (those that would have bought the game if the avenue of piracy did not exist), is that by choosing to pirate instead, they are removing their contribution to the profitability of the company and causing an increase in price to remain profitable. These increased prices cause undue burden only on those people purchasing the product.

There is no mechanism of harm caused by the second group (someone not buying the game because they aren’t interested in the game). In this case there would be no alternative action if the avenue of piracy did not exist because this group would still not purchase the game.

[–] Necronomicommunist@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And the creator of the piece of media can tell the difference... How?

[–] Snipe_AT@lemmy.atay.dev -5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

So you agree there is a difference then.

edit: Revisiting this, as I've said before:

I’m not arguing that the makers of the game are the victim. I’m arguing that the other consumers are.

You seem unwilling to hold a consistent picture in this dialogue as you keep trying to argue the same thing.

[–] Necronomicommunist@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm asking you how the creator of the piece of media can tell the difference, because they can't.

If I make a chair, and someone steals it, I'm down a chair. If I make a chair and someone doesn't buy it, I still have the chair. There's a difference to the creator here that isn't there with digital media. That's why piracy and theft are not the same thing.

[–] Snipe_AT@lemmy.atay.dev -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I’m not arguing that the makers of the game are the victim. I’m arguing that the other consumers are.

You seem unwilling to hold a consistent picture in this dialogue as you keep trying to argue the same thing.

edit: and the answer to how a creator would tell the difference is between the incomes of the two events, one with piracy, another without.

[–] SmoochyPit@beehaw.org 12 points 2 years ago

“You wouldn’t steal a car”

X -> Doubt

[–] ZagamTheVile@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

About once every two years or so, I download all of Metallicas shit. I delete it a few days later. It's not even about sending a message.

[–] beeboopbeep@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

I’m just cheap… and also fuck the corporations and I was leadership at one. Steal away. Fill my nas with goodness you can’t ever take away from me.

[–] Rawsark@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago

I've tried paying for 3 services, but thanks to their different "unique" payment and subscription systems, it became easier to just streamio.

[–] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago

Hey anyone saw my missing boat?

[–] WeLoveCastingSpelz@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Both

[–] mutant@kbin.social -2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

piracy is a crime, crime is bad, stop glorifying crime and unlawful activity

[–] dakar@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Crime doesn't mean bad. Being gay is a crime in some countries, does that make being gay bad?

[–] UnRelatedBurner@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago

yes, but crime = good /hj

[–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago

🤡 <--- This is how you look in the mirror.

[–] quirzle@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

I swear I see you trolling every single thread on here. Find a real hobby.

[–] mistermc101@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago

homie I don't mean to alarm you but you know what community this is right

[–] WeLoveCastingSpelz@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Found the pig

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