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[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Can someone tell me how these help?

[–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

In short: It's the ~~cube root~~ inverse square law. The ~~damage~~ force from an explosion goes down with distance by an exponential factor (1/x^2).

So the blast force (per unit area) at 2" should be about 1/4^th the damage at 1". At 6", the force would be 1/36^th the force per unit area at 1" distance.

Think of a surface of a balloon. If the skin of the balloon (and it's thickness) represents concussive force, as the balloon gets bigger, the skin (and the force) gets smaller.

The boots work by ensuring that if you set off a mine, the mine is under one of the four prongs and away from your foot (distance = ~6") vs just under your foot (distance <1" or the thickness of your soles).

Edit: corrected damage to force. Shrapnel complicates things a bit, but in general, the further you are from the blast, the less concussive (read bone pulverizing) force you receive and the fewer and more spread out shrapnel fragments you get.

If your bones aren't pulverized and the shrapnel is less concentrated, then there's a better chance the medics can save your leg and foot.


Copying a comment on the study these boots came from:

From the study on the boots, they were way better at lowering the odds of needing an amputation after stepping on a mine than the alternatives. Even when tested against the larger mines (249g of explosive)

Check out figure 4 in the study. The competing alternatives were tested against 25g of explosive (first data point) and the measured acceleration on the test leg was 4000 -11,000 g's. The spider boots tests registered about 700 g's or less.

An alternate source to read the whole study on the spider boots:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Spider-Boot-tested-with-a-mechanical-surrogate-leg-at-DRDC-Suffield-Actual-and-simulated_fig3_265925569

The anti-personnel mines used in this study included the VS50 (43g RDX/TNT) and the PMA2 (100g TNT). For the Spider Boot, in all cases of detonation of the landmine under one of the pods, the limb was found to be salvageable (no amputation). In contrast, tests with conventional blast boots against the VS50 mine resulted in MTS scores requiring amputation, and contamination was observed. With the PMA2 mine (100g TNT), the foot was totally destroyed, resulting in a required amputation and severe contamination.

[–] LetterboxPancake@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

I prefer my bones not pulverised, so this seems like a good thing.

[–] efrique@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

goes down with distance by an exponential factor
(1/x^3)

Umm... those two things are not equivalent. b^(-x) would be exponential, x^(-k) is inverse-power for whatever k

[–] Wilshire@lemmy.ca 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

The boot "legs" are destroyed instead of your foot.

Here's a video about it.

https://youtu.be/g9xj5GLzT8A

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It seems that the most expensive part of this boot is the snowboard bindings. If they release the file, maybe people can start printing BYOB (Bring Your Own Bindings) versions at home to donate to the troops.

[–] Seraph@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I head a small local 3D printing group for stuff like this! We were busy early COVID. Would love to help.

[–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Some articles about the 3d printing:

Https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-engineers-3d-printing-anti-mine-boots/32541203.html

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/08/18/ukraine-3d-anti-mine-boots/

Igor Yefimenko is the engineer leading the effort in Ukraine.

This might be him?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/igor-yefimenko-69732730

These are the boots they are duplicating:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Spider-Boot-tested-with-a-mechanical-surrogate-leg-at-DRDC-Suffield-Actual-and-simulated_fig3_265925569

[–] Ret2libsanity@infosec.pub 6 points 10 months ago

I need to be honest - that video explained nothing lol

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But what about the rest of the body?

[–] Stuka@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The mines they are preventing are small, they will destroy your foot if you step on it, but not much else. These boots protect your foot.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's honestly kind of horrific. Like I was expecting mines to be like something they step on and BOOM lights out.

This sounds more like "boom" now you bleed out in agony as your foot is torn into small chunks

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 10 months ago

Yep. Maiming-size mines are smaller and cheaper, and a wounded soldier that requires evacuation and treatment is actually more of a burden to a force than a dead one.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Testicle area looks woefully unprotected

[–] RaincoatsGeorge@lemmy.zip 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Actually during the iraq/ Afghanistan wars there was a huge influx of service men that came home with penis and testicle injuries exactly because of this.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Oh no grandpa about to tell his cock and ball stories again

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

His balls are so large, he needs to offsite them.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

Damn, that is a brave man. Heroiam slava

[–] elouboub@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago
[–] Hardeehar@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

How would one go about testing if this works?

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The approval process for this kind of equipment must be a real minefield

[–] Hardeehar@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The results must be all over the place

[–] Trail@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Well they probably mined their own business.

[–] jumperalex@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

SHUT UP DAD!!!

[–] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My idea of stilts would be safer

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 10 months ago

Lol, I had the same idea in a thread somewhere here. Another user pointed out you'd be an easy shooting target way up high.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 10 months ago

I'm guessing they used dummies of some kind and their own mines.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I’m sure there is some science here, but on first glance it looks more likely to set off a mine, or at least gives you less control over where you step.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

Less surface area so less likely to land on a trigger perhaps?

[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I think mines need a certain amount of weight on them to trigger in most cases. These seem to spread your weight out to at least 4 points and possible angle it outwards so maybe it will slide off trigger plates.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

I misread that as mine-resistant boobs.