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    [–] dan@upvote.au 174 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

    and you shouldn't be using any of those, since the order can and will change. The numbers are based on the order the devices and device drivers are initialized in, not based on physical location in the system. The modern approach (assuming you're using udev) is to use the symlinks in /dev/disk/by-id/ or /dev/disk/by-uuid/ instead, since both are consistent across reboots (and by-id should be consistent across reinstalls, assuming the same partitioning scheme on the same physical drives)

    This is also why Ethernet devices now have names like enp0s3 - the numbers are based on physical location on the bus. The old eth0, eth1, etc. could swap positions between Linux upgrades (or even between reboots) since they were also just the order the drivers were initialized in.

    [–] toynbee@lemmy.world 45 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I'm sure you know this, but to to supplement your comment for future readers, UUIDs are also a good solution for partitions.

    [–] sxan@midwest.social 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

    Labels are better. IMO; they're semantic.

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    [–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 8 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I think OP's point was that UUIDs can still change, but the stuff that makes up the /by-id/ names cannot. Granted, those aren't applicable to partitions.

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    [–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 17 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Are UUIDs built into the hardware, or something your computer decides on based on the drive's serial number and shit?

    [–] taaz@biglemmowski.win 33 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Uuids are part of the gpt (table) on the disk.

    [–] Supermariofan67@programming.dev 10 points 7 months ago

    You're thinking of partuuid, regular uuids are part of the filesystem and made at mkfs time

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    [–] lea@feddit.de 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)

    According to Arch Wiki they get generated and stored in the partition when it is formatted. So kinda like labels but automated and with (virtually) no collision risk.

    [–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I could have RTFM but you guys are more fun.

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    [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    Back in my day, /dev/hda was the primary master, hdb was the primary slave, hdc was the secondary master and hdd was the secondary slave.

    Nothing ever changed between reboots. Primary/secondary depended on which port the ribbon cable connected to on the motherboard, and ~~primary/secondary~~ master/slave was configured by a jumper on the drive itself.

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    [–] jadedwench@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I have a hatred for the enp id thing as it isn't any better for me. It changes on me every time I add/remove a hard drive or enable/disable the WiFi card in the BIOS. For someone who is building up a server and making changes to it, this becomes a real pain. What happens if a drive dies? Do I have to change the network config yet again over this?

    [–] Laser@feddit.de 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    How is that happening? The number on the bus shouldn't change from adding or removing drives. I could imagine this with disabling a card in UEFI / BIOS if that basically stops reporting the bus entry completely. But drives?

    Anyhow, if I'm not mistaken, you can assign a fixed name based on the reported MAC.

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    [–] DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 101 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

    Well it's sdx because they both use the SATA interface. The sdx convention actually comes from scsi though, and the fact that SATA and USB drives use it might point to some code reuse, or maybe a temporary solution that never got fixed due to breaking backwards compatibility.

    Fun fact: IDE drives use the hdx naming convention.

    [–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 7 months ago

    I still muscle-memory type /dev/hd[TAB] once in a while when looking for storage devices.

    [–] stoy@lemmy.zip 15 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I thought they standardized on sd* even for IDE drive a few years back...

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    [–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 months ago

    Yeah, but I think they switched to also use sdx for IDE devices as well.

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    [–] redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 96 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    A yes, my beloved nvme1p2 partition that changes name every reboot

    [–] ordellrb@lemmy.world 59 points 7 months ago (1 children)

    thats a reason to use the uuid in the fstab

    [–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

    Anyone else chuckle on the parallel in saying to use the UUID is no different than saying "just hardcore the IP bro"

    I'm not hating on you, but it's an extremely flawed system where you are forced to use a direct ID mapping as a reference.

    From what I'm understanding from people you can assign an alias to the UUID that sounds better?

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    [–] vampire@lemmy.world 81 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (14 children)

    https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Solid_state_drive/NVMe

    Namespaces are the construct in NVMe technology that hold user data. An NVMe controller can have multiple namespaces attached to it. Most NVMe SSDs today just use a single namespace, but multi-tenant applications, virtualization and security have use cases for multiple namespaces.

      device v
    /dev/nvme0n1p1 < partition
    namespace  ^
    

    There are two types of people: Those who are able to identify gaps in their knowledge and actively seek to fill them... and whatever this meme is.

    [–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Dude, chill, it's a funny take on naming conventions.

    [–] vampire@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    I can't chill ever

    It's a curse

    [–] wkk@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

    It's like you're sucking the fun out of us... Wait a minute

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    [–] Heavybell@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    We can enjoy the meme and also use it as a learning opportunity :)

    I for one didn't know about NVMe namespaces.

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    [–] mrbaby@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

    Oh god damn it I came here to look at memes and now I friggin learned something that's going to make my life easier

    [–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago
    [–] 342345@feddit.de 7 points 7 months ago

    Interesting. I learned something. Again.

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    [–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 57 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

    https://superuser.com/questions/1449499/why-does-linux-list-nvme-drives-as-dev-nvme0-instead-of-dev-sda#1449520

    In short; sd stands for SCSI Disk and SSD and USB all use the SCSI protocol. While SD-cards/emmc (flash-on-CPU) are named emmcblkpX for emmc block device, partition X. And NVME have additionally namespaces, which is the nX part.

    [–] Pantherina@feddit.de 11 points 7 months ago

    So, EMMC is even worse

    [–] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 57 points 7 months ago (6 children)
    [–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    mmcblkxpy
    (SD Card)

    x = device number
    y = partition number

    [–] Oisteink@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    NVMe device names follow this pattern: nvme n , where: is an integer that is assigned by Linux during the boot process. The first NVMe device that is detected is assigned 0

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    [–] hperrin@lemmy.world 51 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    It’s called that because it’s Never the Value you Might Expect.

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    [–] arran4@aussie.zone 46 points 7 months ago (1 children)
    [–] Supermariofan67@programming.dev 26 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    That one hasn't been around for a long time, since the Linux kernel started using a SCSI abstraction layer above many of the other storage protocols. Really cool stuff: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/The_Linux_Storage_Stack_Diagram.svg/1161px-The_Linux_Storage_Stack_Diagram.svg.png

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    [–] Malix@sopuli.xyz 30 points 7 months ago (1 children)

    Different bus, different naming.

    Now, memory kinda hazy, but weren't ide devices /dev/hdX?

    [–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, they used to be, but they switched a few years back to consistently call all block devices sdx.

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    [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 28 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I'm guessing it's for some shit to make sure some ridiculous setup with two gazillion drives doesn't have conflicts

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    [–] Anarch157a@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago

    No one mentioned the Solaris convention yet ?

    /dev/cXtXdXsX

    The letters mean controller, SCSI target, disk and slice (Solaris equivalent to a partition).

    I always thought this was the most elegant naming scheme in the Unix world.

    [–] mrbaby@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

    Mine is easy - /dev/nvme[tab][tab][tab]

    [–] luna@lemmy.catgirl.biz 25 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Back in the olden times the Linux kernel had a dedicated parallel-ATA subsystem with /dev/hda devices. It was then rolled up in to the scsi subsystem to simplify maintaining drivers (everything using the same library for disk access). I'm old :(

    [–] Tja@programming.dev 11 points 7 months ago

    Raises a glass in Debian 3.0

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    [–] sleepmode@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Kinda miss the Wild West days where you'd recompile and suddenly there'd be a whole new device naming convention.

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    [–] waigl@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    It's a lot better than the system that just randomly throws in your USB drives with your SCSI/SAS/SATA/PATA drives. Or the systems that calls everything a SCSI drive when it usually isn't a SCSI drive.

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    [–] phx@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Shouldn't that be

    hdX, sdX, and nvmewtfisthisp1

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    [–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    You mean Linux? Other Unixes don't necessarily use this naming convention.

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