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[-] Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world 174 points 2 months ago
  1. create instability

  2. profit from said instability

  3. run from said instability

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 54 points 2 months ago
  1. get gov't contracts to rebuild after instability
[-] echodot@feddit.uk 17 points 2 months ago
  1. The project gets canceled due to incompetent government, and you keep the money
[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 121 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They're afraid of instability so they go to Greece?!

[-] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 53 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If you have a Greek passport you can live anywhere in the eu right?

[-] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

Yup, the same works for passports from other countries like Malta and Cyprus which iirc literally just sell citizenship.

[-] massacre@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

How much? Asking for a friend.

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[-] Kallioapina@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago

Not quite so simple, but makes things certainly easier.

"As an EU citizen, you have the right to move to any EU country to live, work, study, look for a job or retire.

You can stay in another EU country for up to 3 months without registering there but you may need to report your presence. The only requirement is to hold a valid national identity card or passport. If you want to stay longer than 3 months, you may need to register your residence.

In many EU countries, you need to carry an identity card or passport with you at all times. In these countries, you could be fined or temporarily detained if you leave your identity documents at home - but you cannot be forced to return to your home country for this reason alone. "

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/residence-rights/index_en.htm#eu-citizen

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

It absolutelly is as simple a travelling there and finding a place to stay.

I've moved, lived and worked in 3 foreign EU countries just like that.

Those rules about identity documents and registration apply also to the locals: some countries want people to be registered with the city hall of were they live and (supposedly, though in 2 decades I was never asked for it) carry identity papers (though if you have an identity card from your home country that's valid all over the EU), others couldn't care less.

You don't need any kind of visa or even have a job: as long as you can support yourself (i.e. aren't there to leech of social security) it's all fine.

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[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

To be fair the same British who voted forn Brexit were already living in Spain (the awful individuals in the US and UK are related because of terrible media groups such as Fox and Sun).

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 months ago

Greece has actually had a remarkable turnaround. Nothing like it had been five or so years ago.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 14 points 2 months ago

A rapid change, you say?

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 74 points 2 months ago

they get to fuck us over then scram to somewhere not as fucked over.

[-] ganksy@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Was going to say it but my version was less concise.

[-] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 54 points 2 months ago

Dear blue and white collar workers, please consider coming to Germany. We need a FUCKTON of People.

[-] summerof69@lemm.ee 24 points 2 months ago

Last time I checked, even most IT jobs required you to speak German. I'm not saying this is unreasonable in Germany, but I think it might make it harder to attract a fuckton of people.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

If it were only so easy. We tried. You might get a work visa, but getting citizenship is damn near impossible.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

I'll go but how? What do I need to move there?

[-] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

https://www.germany.info/us-en/service/visa/residence-visa/922288

"Persons holding a US passport may apply for their residence permit at the local immigration office (Ausländerbehörde) after arrival in Germany and without having obtained a visa prior to travelling to Germany. Please note that you need to register your new residence (Anmeldung) with the authorities (Meldebehörde) within 2 weeks of having moved to Germany. You also need to apply for your residence permit at the local immigration office (Ausländerbehörde) within the first 90 days of your stay in Germany. (...) We strongly recommend contacting the local immigration office as soon as possible after your arrival in Germany in order to secure a timely appointment.

Please note that you may only take up employment once you have been issued a residence permit explicitly authorizing such employment. You may also choose to apply for a visa prior to travel, effectively permitting employment from the first day of visa validity"

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Basically you just have to find a company that will sponsor you? I work in IT. Where can I start looking? I've been to Berlin and loved it.

[-] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 14 points 2 months ago

Just say the country you're arriving from is run by global terrorists who are destabilising the world in pursuit of money, you'd probably get asylum 😂

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[-] moktor@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

I tried. Even got a degree in German Language & Literature. Took additional language courses through the Goethe Institute in DE, etc.

Though I've spent the last twenty years as a software developer (which is classified as an Engpassberuf), I was told that the regulations would only allow me to seek work based on the skills from that degree (Berufsqualifikation).

"We already know how to speak German."

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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 51 points 2 months ago

There's no downside if you can do it and extreme wealth is only a requirement if some of the many offers don't apply to you. Spain was basically giving away citizenship a few years back. Bulgaria is pretty open.

[-] DevCat@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago

I've lived in the US for quite a few decades, but I'm still a German citizen. When asked why I don't take US citizenship, I give a three-part answer:

  1. I don't believe you can owe allegiance to two different entities at the same time.
  2. Between a German EU passport and a US Green Card, I can travel almost anywhere in the world.
  3. I f I ever run into legal troubles, first call is to the wife, second goes to the embassy.
[-] donio@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

This is a personal decision but I think it's better to be pragmatic about it. If your country of origin permits dual citizenship I'd do the naturalization simply because it gives you more flexibility. It's a more secure status, no need to worry about renewing or spending longer periods abroad. And you get to vote of course.

Citizenships and passports are bureaucracy and they don't define who you are, that comes from your heart. I'd look at it as a practical matter.

My understanding is that Germany is looking to start permitting dual citizenship later this year.

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[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Can I ask why you live in the US when you could live in Europe?

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[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 23 points 2 months ago

There is a downside to US Citizenship for some though, as one of the only countries on earth yo demand you pay taxes on income earned outside the country

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

demand you pay taxes on income earned outside the country

Good thing the super wealthy don't have legally-defined income to be taxed!

..No, wait. Not good. The opposite of good.

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[-] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I think Portugal will basically sell you a passport for a €250,000 investment. I don't know about Spain. I had Spanish residency years ago but moved away and let it slip, residency was pretty easy to get back then. I'd fuckin love to have an EU passport.

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[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 47 points 2 months ago

Worried about the increasing instability that they fucking created with their sociopathic levels of wealth seeking.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago

Speaking of instability, I'm actually baffled at Canadian government.

They didn't try to attract US and UK companies to set up offices in Canada when many people in those countries were worried about Trump presidency and Brexit, respectively.

[-] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 months ago

From what I remember, Canada did implement a digital nomad program aimed at tech workers at the start of the Trump presidency. I'm not sure how successful it was though

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

The instability they funded politically so they could get more tax breaks, profits and suppress labor.

They got theirs. Set the place on fire while they run off to wherever like Ted Cruz when things get a little uncomfortable.

[-] FiniteBanjo 25 points 2 months ago

Reminds me of an old writing prompt.

Humanity spread into the stars. They're generally quite kind and helpful and treat all worlds as important. But occasionally they'll ignore uniquely made human ships. When asked about it, most humans just say "The powerful abandoned Earth after nearly killing us. Now we're returning the favor"

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

Super weird to read this having emigrated right after RBG died. Like, I'm not rich I just read the room.

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 11 points 2 months ago

I visited her grave in Arlington. Nothing crude, just a low, under my breath “god dammit ruth…”

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[-] solomon42069@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

Ironic given they all bankrolled and fought for what is creating said instability...

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

God forbid the rich have to live in the world they made.

[-] TechNerdWizard42@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

As I've said for a while, anyone with more than two brain cells and the means, is leaving the USA or planning to leave quickly right at the edge of disaster.

[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago

Causing the house fires by supporting republicans then fleeing when it gets too hot.

[-] PoliticallyIncorrect@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago

If you have enough money you didn't need a passport..

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Oh then we can do like India and switch out the currency after they abscond with a large percentage of it.

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