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I want to say yes but everything else tells me no

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 73 points 8 months ago (4 children)

The Kent State shooting was very popular at the time. It's only in retrospect that America decided to be horrified about it.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 68 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, the entirety of the US war on Vietnam has gotten memory holed into being this big, unpopular mistake when the truth was that it was fairly popular at first

Lots of volunteers, lots of pro-war sentiment

Took the war dragging on for several years for opinion to start changing, but the two big nails in the coffin were the Tet Offensive and the release of the Pentagon Papers

The combination of the supposedly defeated North Vietnamese striking back with a vengeance and the public finding out that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a farce was what finally broke the majority of public support

Atrocities like the My Lai Massacre and Tiger Force didn't do much to get people turned off, and neither did the Kent State shooting

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 56 points 8 months ago

It's just like how Afghanistan is considered now, apparently all the libs are now against it from the start.

America's propaganda machine is ridiculously powerful.

[–] Doubledee@hexbear.net 37 points 8 months ago

Yeah my grandparents still talk nostalgically about the good old days when the government knew how to deal with communists. How unfair everyone was to Nixon.

yea

[–] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 8 months ago

[Kyle Rittenhouse has entered the chat]

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 47 points 8 months ago

Yep, they learned that higher tuitions had a chilling effect on protests, and it worked damn well for a long time.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 40 points 8 months ago (1 children)

More Americans know about Tiamen Square that of what happened on Kent State.

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They know of Tiamen square. I wouldn't say they know about it. They just see a guy in front of a tank and then go "oooo, brave, standing up to the CeceePee."

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I hate to be that guy, but it’s tiananmen. 天 = tian =heaven, 安 = an = peace, 门 = men = gate. 天安门。

[–] redline@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 8 months ago

never apologise for being a pedant, you love to see it

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm American. That's my excuse.

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Sadly, I am also trapped in this pisspot with ya, I just also happen to have learned a bit of Chinese over the last year, and proposed in front of Chairman Mao in tiananmen when I was there, so I am pretty intimately aware of how to spell it lol

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, tbh I think I just rolled with the typo from the previous comment...

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 8 months ago

Not a typo, plain ignorance.

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 38 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Uh...side-eye-1

I'm afraid to say anythingside-eye-2

But seriously, like maybe to an extent. At least in so far as the pigs aren't just going in there to shoot and kill protestors. Doesn't mean they won't brutalize protestors in other ways of course. And I honestly wonder how many Americans even know about Kent State. Even in my relatively good education I think Kent State was mentioned once or twice from elementary school through college.

[–] stigsbandit34z@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Incomprehensible how absolute brutality is fine to the average person as long as there are no deaths deeper-sadness

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 17 points 8 months ago

so-far no direct deaths

[–] sourquincelog@hexbear.net 36 points 8 months ago

Yeah, they learned the state is the ultimate purveyor of violence

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 32 points 8 months ago (2 children)

No, and when I have funds again (inshallah) I will funnel them all to Maoist insurgency groups in Texas in their quest to the-doohickey Greg Abbott

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 28 points 8 months ago

don't donate to the austin red guard, they already get some of your taxes (rimshot)

[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Finishing the job the trees started qin-shi-huangdi-fireball (but he has a cowboy hat)

[–] refolde@hexbear.net 28 points 8 months ago

They learned that there will never be consequences for anything they do.

[–] Skeleton_Erisma@hexbear.net 27 points 8 months ago

No, they drink 10 o clock news juice and are force fed what and who to get mad at

You think they cared when protestors got sprayed in the face with bear mace at UC Davis 15 ish years ago?

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The fact that veterans get the GI Bill is enough proof that 'no, we did not'. Those dudes shouldn't be around any schools.

[–] ForgetPrimacy@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Is that a typo?

Those dudes should*n't be around any schools. ?

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 7 points 8 months ago

That was a typo. Thanks for pointing that out.

[–] TeddyKila@hexbear.net 17 points 8 months ago
[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago

The US has only forgotten things since Kent State.

[–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago