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Just for the sake of discussion, this is an odd thing to do, right? To repurpose monuments? I feel like you either tear them down wholecloth or have them around as some sort of memorial. To have national pride in a monument, except that one bit, seems so odd.
I like repurposing monuments when it's funny, like that one confederate statue where someone cut off the rider but left the horse, and over the plaque they just spraypainted HORSE
It's because they're trying to convince everyone that the USSR had no place in their nation's history aside from the bad stuff
It's why they covered the hammer and sickle, it's why they turned that Lenin statue into Darth Vader and it's why they keep lifting a murderous piece of shit like Bandera up as a national icon
I feel like that would arrive you at tearing those monuments down, not changing them around a bit, which is why the whole thing seems so odd to me
The problem being is that they want to take over the history, to subsume it and make it their own
Being capitalists however, they do it on the cheap and we end up here
Cost too much to tear down probably
That and knowing what they rebuild in its place won't look nearly as cool
That’s because the country rejects its rich history within the USSR in favor of random psychopaths massacring people and selling their countrymen and country to the wolves. What culture is there left to be proud of when you denounce your culture? You either start from scratch, or you desperately delude yourself by appropriating what was already there.
Ukrainian nationalists and liberals will “ACKSHUALLY” when you mention “Soviets” fought against fascism or liberated Auschwitz because “it was Ukrainians who did it.” That’s correct, but they’re desperate to make it a vacuum to create a new narrative. Same with them banning V-Day even though it’s a celebration of ALL soviets defeating fascism and replaced it with some generic bullshit while inviting the US to participate.
Seen this before but not sure where this comes from because ~ackshually~ the 322nd rifle division was formed in the Moscow military district and was 90% Russian at its inception. Haven't really looked into the anti-communists' claim though.
Rolling with this surely I'd still tear down the historical monuments and replace them for the random psychopath massacrarers?
Yes, but my other point is that they appropriate what is already there. You cannot deny that Ukraine was a major contributor to defeating fascism or very industrious or prosperous under the USSR. Not even the pro-west nationalists and fanboys. But they will try to spin it so that it was simply Ukrainians pulling themselves up by the bootstraps in spite of Russian repression instead of a team effort. You know, a union.
Destroying a statue of a mythological persona means completely denying their successful Soviet history which would be pathetic because their modern history is not better. Instead, you leave it to acknowledge your role, then appropriate it to change the narrative to fit your new image. “We were successful, but the ruskies held us down!” It’s essentially nationalist nostalgia and desire for when they mattered and had strength but discarding the ideology that got them that strength.
I'm not trying to be arguitative but if I claim myself as this grand industrial producing bootstrap nation replacing bits of symbols on our national treasured / hated monument still feels odd
ever will the human mind astound us with its ability to hold contradictions with conviction
Oh don't worry. They already renamed the street to Babi Yar after one of the instigators of the massacre. Still felt entitled to cry about a russian rocket hitting the site tho.
From the looks of it, this is a really big one, so maybe it would be a waste/too much of a pain to fully destroy.
Blow the legs out of the 100m statue surrounded by well over 100+m of hillside full of shrubs and just leave the pieces there as a new, powerful memorial seems so much easier than doing 100m high construction work that falls apart after a year
it's very strange behavior.