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[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 68 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I can't remember for the life of me where I read it, but I remember reading a kinda sci-fi/fantasyish novel in my teens that had universal ai controlled cars, and the main character asked how they didn't get into accidents sometimes and the other characters were like "are you stupid? It's one centralised ai controlling them all" and that stuck with me as an obvious requirement for driverless cars.

Anyway I don't think any current driverless car creators read that book.

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 71 points 3 months ago (3 children)

che-no driverless cars coordinated and controlled from a single central source to ensure smooth operation and maximum efficiency

che-si each car individually controlled by competing ai each trying to reduce their transit time at the expense of the other AI operated cars

[–] Gucci_Minh@hexbear.net 42 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I remember during the initial hype for driverless cars there was a plan for cars to have ad hoc/ mesh networks with each other so they could perfectly optimize traffic and weave lane changes and left turns in between much smaller gaps than humans can. Somehow it seems just as far away as when it was first proposed.

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 31 points 3 months ago

Somehow it seems just as far away as when it was first proposed.

Probably further away than when it was first proposed tbh

[–] Grandpa_garbagio@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Replace all car roads with trolley tracks, a huge sprawling network of tracks, with streetcars all operated with AI planning. Hell let people buy their own personal trolleys if they want, just don't let them disconnect from the central planning system, get out where you want and the trolley will head to a tracked storage facility to await your next pickup, out of the way of incoming trolleys all perfectly maneuvering around the city

Life purely on the rails

[–] Des@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

just like my childhood dreams!

[–] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Also, batteries on cars are bullshit, see that SUV with a 1000kg of batteries, but a trolley is connected to an ac grid.

[–] Grandpa_garbagio@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

Minority report had it right

[–] LeninsBeard@hexbear.net 41 points 3 months ago

The invisible crankshaft of the free market.

[–] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

Game theory but for AI cars

[–] egg1918@hexbear.net 55 points 3 months ago (1 children)

One central AI controlling all of them is just the first step into reinventing trains, again.

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 51 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Trains are to transit evolution as crabs are to biological evolution. If you actually try to improve efficiency in any transit system you'll inevitably reinvent trains.

It's still funny that these car-brained tech bros can't go beyond individual cars controlled independently even when faced with both the obvious downsides and inefficiencies as well as clear ways to improve car based transit.

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

as crabs are to biological evolution

Barely related, but I want to point out that carcinization only happens to hard shelled creatures, possibly only aquatic ones. Different groups of animals have a few different ideal forms.

For predatory mammals, the ideal form is ferret. Become long. ferret

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

Im short but i stink. Am i almost there?

(I <3 ferrets don't@)

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Reading this comment chain on a high speed train really enriches the experience

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

one centralised ai controlling them all"

Too close to commie trains, their minds just can't conceive

[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If by "ai" you mean pathfinding and routing algorithms, that makes total sense. If by "ai" you mean the actual driving part and crash avoidance, ping will start killing pedestrians.

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Some sort if hybrid system would be great. Knowing that there are no cars on the intersection you plan to cross would save a lot of time with slowing down to check. Equally, having on board systems to slam on the anchors because someone is in the road or whatever would be a requirement.

Waymos as it stands are very good at not crashing. Humans are very bad drivers and frequently hit things, the waymos have been good at not doing that with whatever system they are using now. Obviously there are a few kinks, but it's not enough to discard the technology. A self driving car is better than a human driven one, but it's still a car.

[–] TurtleTourParty@midwest.social 9 points 3 months ago

In Too Like the Lightning by Ada Palmer there are people artificially enhanced into supercomputers that control the world's network of flying cars.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

Anyway I don't think any current driverless car creators read that book.

Even if they did they'd get a very blue curtained takeaway like "THAT CYBERCHICK WAS HAWT" or the like, then make "the truck that Blade Runner would drive." my-hero