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[–] ohellidk@sh.itjust.works 208 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Its still a tight race in the swing states. Crazy to think anyone supports this guy. He has no respect for the country, or anyone in it. There's so many people blindly voting against their own interests. I just don't get it.

[–] bashbeerbash@lemmy.world 142 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

25 years of organized propaganda (fox news, talk radio, etc.). I live amongst Trump supporters, they truly believe prices will come down and they will make more money.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 113 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

my mom believes that we're being "invaded" by illegals. i said, "stop using that term. it's offensive and racist."

"that's what they are. they broke the law," she shot back.

"and you're offensive and racist. and i suppose that means you're an illegal, too, since you jaywalked earlier?" I replied.

"illegal immigrants are felons!" she shouted at me.

"like Trump? so, he's a 34-times illegal, then? and you're voting for him?"

"that's different!" she screamed

there's no reasoning with these people

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 64 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You can't reason people out of a position they didn't reason themselves into

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ain’t that a fucking truth. Ironically, it was my grandfather, my mother’s father, who first told me that

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

my favorite wisdom that has been passed down and not followed is: "Don't believe everything you see on the Internet"

Gullible turds.

[–] InternetUser2012 7 points 2 weeks ago

Well put. They're just following the orders they get from fox "news"

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 48 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

trump the illegal, I like it.

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago

Third generation draft dodger.

His grandfather escaped Germany so he didn't get drafted for WWI.

All in the family.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@piefed.social 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ivan the terrible.

Putin the humiliated.

Trump the illegal.

[–] aruraios@fedia.io 2 points 2 weeks ago

To give Ivan some credit, his title is so old that it originally meant something more like Ivan the Terri_fying_

[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

It's my understanding that illegally entering the country is a misdemeanor, and illegally reentering the country is a felony. It is an amplifying action for a huge number of other felonies though. Am I wrong? 8* Usc section 1325 vs 8 Usc section 1326.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

It was always my understanding that entering the country to claim asylum was not illegal at all

[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 12 points 2 weeks ago

It's also a civil violation, not a criminal one.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 8 points 2 weeks ago

Not all laws are just.

I was on a grand jury once and most of the charges were for marijuana. I tried to convince the jury we should nullify, because sending teenagers to jail for pot is cruel. No one took me up on this. (A grand jury is simple majority, and the defense has no role in the proceedings. Side note: every time a cop isn't indicated it's because the prosecutor didn't want to.)

There was a little old white lady who sat behind me on the jury. She said well that's the law and if it's bad we should change it. Fine, I said. But imagine it's 1950 and you're on a trial for a black man who sat at an all white's counter. Would you indict? Would that be the right thing to do?

She went, "oh.. mm I don't know". And I don't think she meant because of peer pressure or imagining she only had the perspective of a white person from the 50s. I think she was just a very Lawful-Neutral person.

Anyway. The point I was trying to get at is a lot of people have garbage moral reasoning.

Fox News is absolutely one of the cause, but we can’t ignore Rush Limbaugh. He corrupted SO MANY people over the years, it’s absurd. I feel like a lot of people forget about that.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

yep, racism is a helluva drug. It's the poor brown peoples' fault, not the billionaires who actually decide what happens.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 61 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Conservatives live on symbols. The Bible, the Constitution, the flag. They don’t even understand them and don’t need to because it’s really all about their emotions. They are in it to win and to feel confident, not to rule.

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 46 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Team sports.

"My team win, your team lose."

The extent of their thought process.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

this is why high school pep rallies were invented-- it takes a special kind of stupid to bleat about "individual liberty" while pledging your soul to a party of collectivist ultranationalism which "others" everyone who doesn't toe the line

[–] finley@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

you are free to do as we say, or else

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"We are free to do what we want, and we are free to tell you what to do."

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

"Freedom to do what we want! Freedom for you to do what we want."

[–] Lost_My_Mind@piefed.social 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

More like if their team win EVERYONE loses.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

For them thats not a bug, thats a feature. "Zero sum" is baked into the foundation of conservative ideology and policy. For them to win, you have to lose. If you we are winning somehow, that must mean they are losing somehow and to them that is not acceptable even if they have no way of quantifying or qualify how they would be losing.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 20 points 2 weeks ago

Nobody asked him to run in 2016... he only did because he thought he could hustle the donation process to pay back his debts to Russia, but then the whole of GOP decided to back him, because who else could they unite on?

GOP is a coalition of people who can only find common ground with others on the absolutely lowest common denominator. Trump is just that. The uninvited but seemingly popular stranger at a party where everyone hates each other.

The look on his face when he won... He never intended to win. Now he has to, because he fucked up, and will need the power to dodge the consequences..

If Democrats win it is clear that the GOP party is fucking over. They might actually break up into different directions if they lose hard enough.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

no respect for the country, or anyone in it.

that's why those people love trump. because the venn diagram of people he hates somewhat overlaps the circle of people they hate. and since they're stupid, it doesn't even matter that they are themselves within the circle of people trump hates

[–] Lost_My_Mind@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Kind of like Hitler saying "We kill all non-Blonde haired blue eye'd Aryan Germans" and then the Japanese were like "May we join in?"

If Hitler had won, there would have been a Nazi/German War sometime in the 60s, after he sent all the Russians to concentration camps, and taken over all of Russia.

Granted, I'm veering off into alternate history, but you can see my point, right?

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago

why turn to alternate history when actual history works just fine?

His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

https://phdn.org/archives/www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/documents/osssection3pt1.htm