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[–] jhymesba@lemmy.world 112 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

This is a great article, more than just bait for "You voted for leopards eating faces and now you're surprised that a leopard ate your face" comments.

There's a great opportunity for Dems here, if they are willing to take it. Point out to the conservative little people that Trump's friends are the rich and powerful and the little conservatives will get nothing and like it. Highlight that Trump is hurting farmers so he and his rich buddies can get a tax cut. Remind them that the GQP doesn't care about people. It only exists to get stupid rich off of everyone's labour.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 97 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

There's a great opportunity for Dems here, if they are willing to take it.

Probably not. Every time the leadership is presented with an opportunity, they choose to do the exact wrong thing.

[–] jhymesba@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Indeed. Hence my 'if they are willing to take it' bit. They most likely aren't.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

they're not going to take it because their goals overlap considerably w the republican's goals.

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks for saying this. In was about to, but you nailed it perfectly.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If they drop the ball on this extremely easy layup of a messaging task then we gotta really seriously figure out how to replace AT LEAST the Dem leadership

[–] BreakerSwitch@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The simpsons got it right decades ago with Dems: We're incompetent and can't govern Reps: We're evil! But Seriously, the biggest problem the Dems have in 2025 is that they're ANCHORED in establishment. Those in the lead now are not there because they're capable, intelligent, or popular, but because they waited their turn. It's a commitment to fairness and rules to the point of self sabotage. Tell Schumer and Pelosi to take a hike, put AOC, Booker, anyone else who has a plan and is committed to actually FUCKING DOING SOMETHING in charge, rather than telling them to play nice with the party and wait their turn behind the wheel when current leadership dies.

[–] Letsdothisok@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago
[–] eatCasserole@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

The problem here is that they're also owned by the rich and powerful. They might give you a cookie, but they can't meaningfully challenge power.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"Hmm, rise to the moment and present a real alternative? Why, when we can just run a shitty uninspiring candidate and just say 'vote for them or Donald Trump kills everyone?'"

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think with current Democrat leadership, yeah they'll fuck it all up.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

In 2028, Democrats will run a candidate with experience. They'll run a candidate with bipartisan bona fides. They'll run a candidate that has already run previous primary campaigns as a Democrat, Republican, and independent. They'll run a candidate that finally, at long last, can actually achieve the DNC's unholy obsession at appealing to Republican voters.

Say hello to 2028 Democratic nominee...David Duke!

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago

That's their job. They're the Washington Generals.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you. The current DNC is too afraid that they'll scare off the rich donors if they attack Republicans. They're worried about collateral damage if they take pot shots and accidentally hit one of the rich donors.

Both the GOP and the DNC want to focus on culture war bullshit rather than anything class related because neither wants to do anything that would run counter to the interests of the ultra wealthy.

[–] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

A lot of those donors are also the ones losing as well. Doing nothing accomplishes nothing. Might as well try.

[–] jhymesba@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

That's the hope, but I'd not plan for it!

[–] entwine413@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They aren't, though. The whole reason Trump is crashing the economy is so his rich donors can buy up everything for cheap

[–] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

sooner or later you're going to run into somebody who's crunching the numbers and is losing tons and tons of money you're not just generating funds by watching the market spiral down. Yes this thing will with all best intense start bouncing back upwards and will improve but that doesn't mean in the meantime that things aren't going to be extremely bad and you may end up seeing almost literal bloodshed from some companies simply due to the manner in which things are made and as much as we want to complain about this we don't have the ability to just up and make manufacturing. Nor do you just have the ability to make capacity overnight. To steal an old quote. Rome wasn't built overnight. In the same time Neither did we paint ourselves into this corner. These things tend to be fixed easier when you give it time as opposed to trying to do knee-jerk reactions that end up just sending everything into absolute turmoil for no particular reason other than the current Any change is at least change.....?

[–] jhymesba@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Got it in stereo, even. Yep. I agree. That's why I put the 'if they are willing to take it' in. They most likely aren't because of what you cited in your reply, though.

[–] BreadAndThread@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You can't convince ANY Trumper or Independent. I spoke with my ex-husband again about all this last week. He's very wealthy, hates Trump, but hates all democrats too. So he threw his vote away to the 3rd party will be buying more TSLA during the dip. And here is why I'll never talk about politics with him again; he thinks it's a GREAT IDEA that Muskrat is taking a sledgehammer to the government. Doesn't matter that Musk is an unelected foreigner doing major damage to our country. "It's what's needed." Ex-husband said.

I always believed he was smarter than that, but nope. He's got enough money to ride this out and retire at 55.

[–] diffusive@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Will probably he doesn’t have his money under a mattress… so I guess he may eventually unretire 🤷‍♂️😂

[–] BreadAndThread@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, he's got enough, and he's diversified very well. We're both 54, and I was really, really hoping that I could retire at 67. However, I don't know if I can come back fast enough after this nosedive. But the ex-husband will be fine and he'll retire next January.

That's the U.S. in a nutshell. The very wealthy will be fine, but people like me who are constantly trying to just hold onto what I've already earned will be worse off by a mile.

[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m really REALLY curious to know from these people when they say “it’s what’s needed” and they’re doing as well as you say…why? Why is it needed?

If you’re doing well, then surely dismantling everything that hurts others isn’t what’s needed unless it’s solely going to help you and only you (or others in your same position). If that’s why, then the problem isn’t the system…

[–] BreadAndThread@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

When we were young, he was hardcore republican because "small government." And he's convinced that the biggest drain on the budget is poor people. I've argued that wealthy people and farmers are the biggest welfare queens. And our military is the biggest drain, but he won't see.

I now understand what a moron I've been to believe that he ever meant it when he agreed that healhcare should be provided, college should be free, and childcare should be free. I see that he'd be the first person demanding those get shot down. I mean, anyone buying the TSLA dip is telling you they don't care about the human quality of life, nor about naziism. They only care about making money.

I've come to the realization that he's still republican, but Trump is obviously brain damaged, so ex can't support him. But maybe the rest of the repugnants aren't that bad.

Pretty much 100% bullshit as you've probably already guessed. I will no longer talk to him about anything requiring brain function because he's proof that wealth <> intelligence.

[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you for taking the time to write this. It is definitely all bullshit and I still don’t understand how someone with wealth can think poor people are a drain on society considering in a society where there are ways to win then there will be a loser. In another timeline, his wealth that he’s accumulated might be seen as poor and he’d be a drain on the economy despite all he supposedly has.

[–] jhymesba@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Not everyone can be reached, but I don't think no one can be reached either. It just takes the Dems growing a fucking spine, though, which is the harder lift, IMO.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

There’s a great opportunity for Dems here, if they are willing to take it.

They can't take it, because they are shackled to the same petty financial cartels and tech oligarchs that delivered Trump the first two times.

Dems can't break from neoconservative when all their money and their leadership is coming from Bush Era neoconservatives.

[–] donnager@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They need to go around the country and target Republican communities for the next 4 years. Point out how Republicans are fucking them over.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Point out how Republicans are fucking them over.

No, no, no. Running on "We're not X" does not work. Don't talk about how the Republicans have hurt them. They already know that. They need to tell them how the Democrats can help them and then fucking follow through.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How is this any different from the same, "move right and win by appealing to Republicans" strategy that has failed Democrats every election since Obama?

[–] jhymesba@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

It's not different if Dems keep pushing the same tired neo-liberal memes and keep fellating the rich and powerful, but maybe they could try an alternative plan, you know, doing rather than just talking?