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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (4 children)

When trump was president the first time, we all agreed it was bad and things needed fixed.

A large amount of Dem voters held their nose and voted Biden because he was the only option and even Biden was better than trump....

But instead of fixing anything, Biden just tried to gaslight America that things were fine, and didn't actually fix anything despite having the House and Senate like trump does.

Then Biden held on to the last possible moment so there wouldn't be a primary, tried to hand the nomination to an even more historically unpopular VP who couldn't win, and she said she wouldn't do anything different, except putting a Republican in her cabinet.

So you can blame voters not voting.

But it just sounds like a shady car salesman bitching no one will buy his lemons.

It's the literal and only job for a candidate and their campaign team to win an election. We can't blame primary voters for picking a bad option, they had no say in who the candidate was.

This is bigger than your ego being wrong about what voters will put up with

We can't afford to deny reality so you feel better about your unpopular opinions about what Dem voters want.

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 23 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It can simultaneously be true that the democrats did a god awful job campaigning, and that people are fucking idiots for not voting for them.

[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They didn't do a bad job campaigning, they told us exactly who they are, barely left of trump Republicans

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

Remind me how many times Biden violated the constitution?

Don’t get me wrong champ, shit needed to change, but you do see how the situation now is a lot fuckin worse? Right?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

If Kamala would have won the neoliberals would have maintained control of the DNC another four years, would have squashed the primary again, and we'd have been stuck voting for someone we don't want who won't fix anything for 8 years...

Shit is too bad to keep not fixing it.

It would have been kicking the can down the road another couple years and we'd be in the same scenario again. Meanwhile the wealthy would continue winning and 99% of us would keep losing.

Maybe it wasn't bad for you till now, maybe you'd even be fine waiting a decade before we fixed anything....

But most Americans weren't

Getting upset that they didn't care about you after decades not caring about them makes you look at best uninformed about the entire last 50 years of American political history.

So....

How about you stop bitching that the people you wouldn't help didn't help you and start working with everyone else that needs help.

That's the way to actually get anyone help, if you're not in board, don't be surprised when no one wants to listen to you

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So true bestie, glad we voted in a fascist so we don’t have to worry about elections at all anymore. Really stuck it to those pesky libs.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Maybe you voted for trump, but I held my nose like I always do.

Crazy you all think everyone explaining why Kamala lost didn't vote for her.

Like, I guess it makes sense tho, without the empathy to understand why some people couldn't or wouldn't hold their nose, you also can't understand how anyone else can empathize with them.

To someone like that, it would make sense why they'd assume anyone explaining this didn't vote D.

It's sad, but thanks to empathy I can understand why you're saying the things you're saying, and why you can't understand anything that's happening

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works -4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ooo, someone learned a new vocab word.

I hope your empathy feels great when the fascist boot presses against your neck. I have zero empathy for the confidently incorrect.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago

but I held my nose like I always do.

Leftist card revoked, you are now a collaborator.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Biden just tried to gaslight America that things were fine, and didn’t actually fix anything

You spell "things were slowly improving from disaster" and "didn't allow america to slide into recession as we emerge from global 100-year pandemic" weird.

I love how this 'gaslight' lie is itself a gaslight. Sorry Stein lost, but she couldn't have won, and wasn't supposed to. She was funded to fool you and others into forgetting it was really a binary choice, and your split votes allowed Republicans to win. Take the win.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Almost all the recovery went to the owner class, and you're fucking blaming the working class for noticing. Quit your bullshit.

[–] mriguy@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Almost all the recovery went to the owner class under Biden, so let's elect Trump and transfer EVERYTHING to the owner class.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I never said the public was smart, just at least a little bit observant. ¯\_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

When the status quo sucks, any chance at improvement—even a dubious one—starts to look good. That's why it was so fucking essential for the Democrats to pivot left economically, not (just) socially! But they abjectly refused, because in their heart of hearts neoliberals are aligned with the capitalist owner class and thus would rather have a fascist dictatorship than a socialist democracy.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Under Biden, economic inequality decreased for the first time in a generation.

But you dumb shits absolutely refused to believe it. Because propaganda fucking works.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 0 points 4 days ago

Or maybe they were looking at their own lives and the lives of people around them? After decades of gaslighting from both parties it's no wonder that Americans don't trust the statistics they are offered.

Biden did do a lot of economic good and it's true that income inequality was reduced on his watch. However it wasn't the kind of fundamental change required for most people to actually experience it in their lives.

Marginal changes around the edges also don't add up to any kind of narrative that Democrats can use to drive participation. Trump supplied a narrative that Biden could use against him in 2020 but, by 2024 that story was old. The narrative around Trump in 2024 looked more like a classic hero arc than the classic Bond villain he was in 2020. The Democrat's narrative was about technocratic competence, something I appreciate but not terribly engaging. Biden's debate performance and late withdrawal also ran counter to that story.

It might sound silly or flippent to talk about narratives, but anybody in marketing will tell you that the narratives around a product usually matter more than the qualities of the product itself. There are effective narratives that Democrats could use, but those narratives cast wealthy Democratic donors among the villains, and most don't have the courage or integrity to do that.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 days ago

the oniony layers of gaslighting are incredible here: the republicans won because the democrats didn't vote. there aren't enough split voters to even cover the gulf of voters that the democrats lost anymore and they lost it because of their support for the genocide.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

But instead of fixing anything

When we showed you literally how he was fixing things, you LITERALLY DENIED REALITY AND CALLED IT FAKE NEWS.

You people are a cult just as bad as MAGA, and serve the same ends.