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cross-posted from: https://50501.chat/post/150258


Originally Posted By u/bluesunset90 At 2025-04-24 12:14:12 PM | Source


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[–] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 74 points 2 days ago (6 children)

If America saw what America was doing to America, then America would invade America to liberate America.

[–] loomy@lemy.lol 3 points 1 day ago

This is a counterpoint to the sign in the post.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

We should tell Americans there's oil in Texas. Liberate them or something

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

not as long as america supported americas economic and political interests. America has never cared about "democracy".

[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

America has never cared about “democracy”.

The election system makes that blatantly obvious. First-past-the-post voting and a two party system is pretty anti-democratic in and of itself, and was derided by George Washington as a source for some of the great evils of history.

[–] blackbelt352@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

2 parties is the inevitable outcome of FPTP, there's no legalistic enforcement of 2 parties, it's simply the most viable strategy in this voting system. They very quickly became the biggest and out-competed all the others except when*... (see how the Whigs fell, the conservative Democrats split in north and south and the progressive Republicans rose to prominence) Washington was right to deride the 2 party system but the framers were building an electoral system long before we had some extremely serious mathematics done about making voting systems more fair, and also proving that no voting system can be perfectly fair and satisfy all fairness criteria.

And they also weren't one homogeneous group either, they all wanted different things and came to compromise about how to go about doing it, some wanted a centralized army to stand up to outside forces, others saw that as a risk, capable of waging war internally. They were working off of the collective knowledge of the Greeks, Romans, and more contemporary writers like Voltaire, Hobbes, and Rousseau. They didn't have the next 250 years of political philosophy that would develop that we know today.

[–] Nelots@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

Idk. Does America got an oil?

[–] nao@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

Isn't it kind of already doing that

[–] doug 2 points 2 days ago

I heard once that project Cascadia (wherein the west coast separates from the rest of the US) was a Russian-backed effort to destabilize the west and… I hate to say it but I’ve been like “fuck it, you won, get us out of here.”