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cross-posted from: https://50501.chat/post/150258


Originally Posted By u/bluesunset90 At 2025-04-24 12:14:12 PM | Source


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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago

Wrong. That's absolutely what your responsibility as a citizen is, to ensure the protection of democracy from everyone in any position capable of undermining it.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
  • People surrender enormous amounts of personal autonomy to their bosses, their landlords, and their political leadership

  • Bosses, landlords, and political leaders pool all their power under a Unitary Executive position with entirely unchecked authority

  • Chief executive abuses the office

  • New chief executive abuses the office

  • Even newer chief executive abuses the office

  • The latest chief executive abuses the office

Some dummy with a sign "It's not supposed to be like this!"

God damn, read a fucking book. For every moment you've been alive it has been like this.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 4 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Some dummy with a sign “It’s not supposed to be like this!”

I mean, it's not supposed to be like this.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Not very damn much it would seem. I still think you've got some misdirected hostility though.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -1 points 22 hours ago

Yes, the people are supposed to hold politicians accountable. This attitude of ‘I don’t want to have to pay attention to politics’ from liberals is fucking wild. This is exactly why they don’t know the Dems were supporting most of the same Trump policies, but quietly.

Just go back to brunch.

[–] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 73 points 1 day ago (6 children)

If America saw what America was doing to America, then America would invade America to liberate America.

[–] loomy@lemy.lol 3 points 23 hours ago

This is a counterpoint to the sign in the post.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

We should tell Americans there's oil in Texas. Liberate them or something

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

not as long as america supported americas economic and political interests. America has never cared about "democracy".

[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

America has never cared about “democracy”.

The election system makes that blatantly obvious. First-past-the-post voting and a two party system is pretty anti-democratic in and of itself, and was derided by George Washington as a source for some of the great evils of history.

[–] blackbelt352@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

2 parties is the inevitable outcome of FPTP, there's no legalistic enforcement of 2 parties, it's simply the most viable strategy in this voting system. They very quickly became the biggest and out-competed all the others except when*... (see how the Whigs fell, the conservative Democrats split in north and south and the progressive Republicans rose to prominence) Washington was right to deride the 2 party system but the framers were building an electoral system long before we had some extremely serious mathematics done about making voting systems more fair, and also proving that no voting system can be perfectly fair and satisfy all fairness criteria.

And they also weren't one homogeneous group either, they all wanted different things and came to compromise about how to go about doing it, some wanted a centralized army to stand up to outside forces, others saw that as a risk, capable of waging war internally. They were working off of the collective knowledge of the Greeks, Romans, and more contemporary writers like Voltaire, Hobbes, and Rousseau. They didn't have the next 250 years of political philosophy that would develop that we know today.

[–] Nelots@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

Idk. Does America got an oil?

[–] nao@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Isn't it kind of already doing that

[–] doug 2 points 1 day ago

I heard once that project Cascadia (wherein the west coast separates from the rest of the US) was a Russian-backed effort to destabilize the west and… I hate to say it but I’ve been like “fuck it, you won, get us out of here.”

[–] doug 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

…I mean, take out the “in America,” really.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago

Agreed. As a Canadian I should not have to protect my democracy from the president either.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ever since the executive branch started to get more powerful that's like the main person democracy has needed defending from

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

Ever since the executive branch started to get more powerful

The Jefferson Administration was a mistake.

[–] match@pawb.social 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

every presidential democracy consistently suffers from a takeover by the president. it is an Internet flaw in presidential systems

[–] Holyginz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I knew skynet would crop up eventually

Think not what your country can do for you.

[–] GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We had a pretty close call there. For a while, the president was pushing hard for a federal online censorship program that got caught lying as soon as it was formed, and also trying to get votes counted with no voter ID unlike every single other democratic country. The administration was also paying bail for protestors who burned down random businesses and pushing for prosecution of people who acted in self defense. Luckily we didn't re-elect him and his handlers after that.

[–] Beastimus@slrpnk.net 1 points 20 hours ago

The president also pardoned a bunch of domestic terrorists, screwed over our farmers, and undermined our energy security and trade domination, not to mention replacing every federal job he could with incompetent buffoons. I hate that old white guy.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago

Hay guys the magas are starting to show up finally. This should be fun.