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[–] LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you’ve made it this far and you can’t fit the jigsaw pieces of America’s racist history and racist present, plus how politics has been dominated by white men almost exclusively, and how leftists are tired of it on so many levels, and you choose somehow to be offended by a white democratic nominee for president being called “safe white boy,” I don’t know what to tell you.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We elected a black man president in 2008, then suddenly got too racist. Sure, that makes perfect sense. It couldn't possibly be the platforms the Democrats were running on. /s

[–] LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I’m not sure if you’re replying to me but it doesn’t seem like you’re replying to what I said.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We elected a black man president in 2008

Sort of. It's not like we elected James Brown.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Holy fuck. Centrists are so goddamned desperate to run with their "we have to shut out AOC because the US is racist (until she's no longer a threat to our hegemony)" narrative that they're pretending Obama isn't Black.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I remember whites saying he was too black, poc saying he was too white, and leftists saying he's too corporate.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I remember centrists calling Bill Clinton the "first black president." Guess they don't want to give up the title.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 1 day ago

Omg I don't remember that. The real oppression, amirite?! 🤦‍♀️

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not like James Brown is likely to run in 2028, so what's your point?

The reason we have a fascist groundswell in this country is the same reason any country has ever had a fascist groundswell.

  1. Wealth inequality drives populism.
  2. Wealthy liberals shut out left populism.
  3. Right populism benefits and quickly turns fascist.
[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My point is we elected the whitest black guy we could possibly find and even then it took 230 years. We still have a long way to go before we pat ourselves on the back.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When did I suggest back pats?

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We didn't "suddenly get too racist". The US was no more likely to elect a black presenting president in 2008 than we are now. Even one with Obama's gravitas.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Exactly. A minority candidate absolutely can win, as long as they can rally Democratic voters.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

I hope you're right but I have my doubts.