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I think it’s a good statement, short and to the point. The replies are absolute poison though, hasbara bots really honing in on them. Feds will try and make something stick but it doesn’t sound like he was even a member.

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[–] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I'm assuming the manifesto about the guy's alleged motives circulating elsewhere on here is true. I have no objection with the facts that PSL is not currently affiliated with this guy, PSL did not plan or sanction this specific action, or that PSL does not encourage individual lawbreaking. I'm not expecting or encouraging PSL to put out a statement that says "this was good, and we like it!", or whatever "support" would look like for an action they played no role in and had no prior knowledge of.

PSL chose to put out a statement, and I think it's worth considering what they were trying to accomplish by doing so. I think a straightforward reading of the statement would conclude that it was done for PR rather than legal reasons. If there were any evidence tying PSL to the alleged crime, this statement would certainly do nothing to limit their liability. Edit: I'm not a lawyer. Maybe someone more qualified than me knows of some legal value to a statement like this. If done for PR reasons, I think a straightforward reading of the statement implies an intent to avoid negative attention from Zionists or the state.

Put plainly: it hasn't and it won't. The only statement that an antizionist revolutionary communist party might make that has a small chance of avoiding negative attention from Zionists or the state is "we're not a party, we hate communists, we oppose revolution, and we love Israel". Even then, I would expect the likely response to be something along the lines of "stop resisting and get in the van, scum".

Negative attention from Zionists and the imperial state is the unavoidable cost of having a conscience during this ongoing genocide. It is a perquisite to any kind of success. Mahmoud Kalil, Rumeysa Ozturk, and Moshen Madawi are all proof that those who condemn terrorism, obey every law, and engage collectively in peaceful protest will get black bagged by the empire all the same. Until Palestine is free, I'm not personally going to spend my limited time on this earth announcing my criticism of Hamas's optics or Hezbollah's tactics, or accuse them of undermining the cause by being unpalatable to the people that already want them dead. "Collective action is more powerful than individual action". Yes. Sure. Good. Individual action is still better than no action. The day I see any collective action from imperial citizens that materially changes the ratio of dead Palestinians to living settlers more than this guy allegedly did is the day I'll say "this fool should have simply done that instead". Until that day comes, I don't have a word of condemnation for someone who sacrificed more than I ever have for Palestinian liberation whether I think he did it "the right way" or not.

[–] xj9@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How would claiming a guy who wasn't acting on behalf of the party benefit the PSL? or advance their anti genocide agenda?

I'm not shedding any tears over the dead Israelis.

Individual action is better than no action

PSL doesn't support adventurism, from their perspective individual action is specifically not effective. They're interested in organizing a mass revolutionary movement, getting tangled in a random person's mess doesn't advance their agenda. You're obviously free to disagree though!

[–] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

How would claiming a guy who wasn’t acting on behalf of the party benefit the PSL?

They shouldn’t. I wouldn’t expect or want them to claim responsibility for the actions of an unaffiliated person who clearly acted without the benefit of collective organization or any expectation of personal survival. I’m just sad to see (in general) the same reflexive urge to proactively condemn people like this, or Luigi Mangioni, or Willem van Spronsen every time someone decides they’d rather risk their life alone doing something about the horrors than spend the rest of their lives watching them. The tragedy of these individual actions isn’t the actions, it’s that they didn’t have a hundred comrades at their side while they (allegedly) did them.

[–] xj9@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The tragedy of these individual actions isn’t the actions, it’s that they didn’t have a hundred comrades at their side while they (allegedly) did them.

That's the difference between adventurism and organized armed resistance! When you're organized and militant, the comrades are right there with you by design and the impact can be much greater.