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I’ve been watching it on 30+ different TikTok live feeds since Friday. It’s mutual escalation. ICE hit and run a protestor, protestors began throwing cinder blocks and M80s, ICE deployed tear gas, now the National Guard is dispatched.
Hegseth has the Marines standing by, and the Insurrection Act will be next. This is what happens when we get violent before we have the numbers to fight. We’re fucked because people are acting on emotion and completely unaware that this is Trump’s Reichstag Fire.
Edit: Please share this.
Yes the protests should stop doing anything after attack by others.
I'm curious why you call it mutal escalation when it starts with swat raids and running people over
I was clear that ICE started it. If you watch the video, you’ll also see that the protestor was running backwards in front of the vehicle down a main road for half a block.
https://files.catbox.moe/ykdo17.mov
The point is, we cannot be violent in our resistance AND grow our numbers. It’s one of the other. Violence gets people incarcerated and keeps people afraid to leave their homes, while giving justification for further encroachment on our rights.
So ICE is the one escalating.
And for
Notice that's been happening since the country was founded. Hell cops make up reasons all the time.
Then if there isn't an violence they'll put in a provoker or just make up the reason for putting the boot down.
If we're at the point where people aren't going to fight either way it doesn't really matter
Man what is wrong with lemmings. This guy can't even suggest people could act differently without people downvoting (suppressing) his posts. He thinks police are the problem, but people could do something differently to fight back.
And that's incorrect. On lemmy, we say "police are bad" and that's it. Never cast your gaze elsewhere. Never talk about anything else that could change. Police are the problem, end of story, and if you don't agree your sentiments will put on the bottom.
Yes his attempts to put the blame on protesters instead of those running over people is the problem...
They escalated first, yes. That doesn’t justify escalation on our part.
Don’t pretend that your feelings are facts. You sound like MAGA.
How the actual fuck do you expect 1-2% of our nation to violently overthrow the government? All this will do is incarcerate people and scare others into their homes, effectively reducing our numbers, while giving Trump the justification he wants.
Your feelings outweigh your logic. Maybe you should keep them to yourself until you can think more clearly.
Mate I don't think you understand the counties history.
Time and time again they've shown they don't need an actual reason.
If also recommend maybe you need the chill time considering you seem to really take everything personal when others point out flaws in your spammed comments
What about losing people to fear of unsafe protest conditions and incarcerations makes sense to you? All so a few people can get their rocks off like Leroy Jenkins throwing shit at officers? It’s completely counterproductive when we don’t have the numbers to take it all the way.
I’m not taking any of this personally. I’m taking the logistics of it very seriously. This type of half-assed violent resistance is exactly how Hitler chipped away at the population. We cannot be dumber than Trump, especially when we literally have his playbook.
Please read and learn history. As others say they will make up escalations or excuses for violence because the point is to crack skulls and terrify civilians.
Like labour strikes broken up by police, voting rights broken up by police, soldiers camping for their pay broken up by tanks, civil rights protests broken up by police and brutality, Vietnam https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20240503-kent-state-university-1970-protests-that-shook-the-us, BLM, and those Protesting against the genocide in gaze.
The only constant is protests are always a risk precisely because those in power are always afraid. Your point should be showing how to prepare not just go how dare those protesters do anything in response to getting upset.
you clearly aren't, again learn history as the Reichstag fire was just the Nazis doing a false flag to make up reasons for escalations and excuses for violence because the point is to crack skulls and terrify civilians.
I’m very familiar with history. What you fail to acknowledge is that our largest nationwide peaceful protest, which will ALWAYS outnumber the violent resistance, was 5M people. That’s 1.5% of our population.
My point of the Reichstag Fire as a metaphor is that Trump is clearly using this to incite us. If the goal was to get criminals first, they wouldn’t have stated in downtown LA. That’s a high profile message. He also chose to use the National Guard before ICE stated it was necessary, over the governor’s head.
I’m sorry you’re too passionate about this topic to see it for what it is, but I will not accept your misguided interpretation of the best strategy for our current situation.
Mate your strategy is do nothing instead of preparing or doing tutorials on how to prepare for violence against protesters.
And as usual ignored everything any other person has pointed out
Protesting and reaching out to the disengaged is the strategy. I’m part of multiple groups that got our protests up to 5M nationwide in just a few months. We’re getting there, but we’re not there yet. Acting on emotions and driving people back into their homes in fear will undo real progress.
But I get it. You have big feelings.
Maan. Don't be a jerk. It undermines you.
It's okay, they're apparently the only one allowed to talk about protesting. Then again if they're gonna be in a massive one youd think they'd want to work on preparing for how to handle police brutality and retaliation instead of yelling at others to just be peaceful or convince national guard to not go wild on protesters
Oh I see, your protest is the only one that matters. Yet I'm the emotional one?
I'm extremely curious which part of this you think is based on emotional.
I don’t follow. I’m in complete support of protest. I’m only condemning violent resistance with less than 1% of our population because of the damage it would do to protesting.
Then spread how to prepare for when the police gets violent towards protesters instead of just saying the national guard should know to stand down
I do, when the conversation isn’t promoting violent resistance.
Ah yes people pointing out how the police are the violent ones using overwhelming force is promoting violent resistance.
There should always be discussions on how to prepare because the police/those in power never hesitate to use it, as evident by ice starting this with running someone over
“They started it” may work in third grade, but not here. Don’t let their violent behavior provoke you. Instead, record and document it, gain a safer position, and continue to protest.
Again way to miss the point.
Fascism will escalate regardless, in the absence of real resistance they will simply lie to justify doing what they were always planning to do anyway, passively accepting their actions will do nothing to help, resistance is the only correct answer and it will absolutely have to be violent
I watched it happen all day yesterday. Protesters are throwing rocks through windows of vehicles as they drive by. They’re lighting M80s and throwing them at the agents.
The VAST majority is peaceful. Many are throwing rocks. A few are taking even further.
I get that they’re pissed, but this isn’t the solution. Refusing to walk into a trap isn’t cowardice, it’s strategy.
You watched and learned nothing, resistance isn't a trap and your passivity won't save you
look our only options are to vote as hard as we can even when both parties are fighting to be the ones to do this policy
I never said resistance was a trap. I said violent resistance was. Violence will hand Trump his Reichstag Fire on a silver platter.
Nonviolent "resistance" is worthless, idk what part of "they will make shit up anyway" you're not understanding
Emotions have taken over their thinking process and are just lashing out. Sad how often they are like that
Trump is itching to enact the Insurrection Act. That will make growing our numbers far more difficult. Meanwhile, you’re advocating losing resisters to incarceration, scaring people back into their homes due to unsafe protest conditions, while giving Trump the justification he needs to strip our rights.
Do you always think with your feelings? You should try your brain. Logic and strategy know no cowardice. They only know how to outthink the opposition.
idk what part of "they will make shit up anyway" you're not understanding
What part of “we will lose people to incarceration and fear” are you not understanding?
I'm curious what you see as the winning strategy here. Truly. You can pm me it if you want.
First and foremost, we need more numbers. Our largest peaceful protest was only 1.5% of our population at 5M people. Violent or non-violent, we will change nothing with those numbers.
The largest demographic in those protests were boomers, older people that would not be capable of, nor interested in, fighting. We use publicly available websites, shared on every social media platform, and that the most commitment we’ve seen so far. Violent revolution would require secured communication channels, losing additional numbers in the process.
People calling for violence truly don’t understand how few would show up. They’d quickly be hunted and incarcerated with such small numbers. The threats of violence would the keep most people in their houses, afraid to protest for fear of their safety, effectively suppressing peaceful resistance.
Calling for violence before we have the commitment is exactly how Hitler chipped away at wave after wave, and is precisely Trump’s plan. He first dispatched ICE to downtown LA, not skid row where they’d be more likely to find criminal immigrants. They raided a corporate business and several public schools first to gain the attention of the media, then against the governor’s wishes, dispatched the National Guard. We cannot be dumb enough to walk into an obvious trap set by the dumbest president in the history of our nation.