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Oh fuck. They're gonna force Newsom for 2028 aren't they.
If he were to get elected in 2028, the 2032 election is guaranteed a Nazi win with a leader that isn't wholly incompetent the next time. No one should primary that shit stain.
Exactly what it looks like. He is becoming the face of the opposition. Just another establishment candidate. 🙄
I was a supporter for a while, but the more I get to know him, the less I like him. He's just another Corporatist Republican-Lite Democrat, and those are the losers that got HitlerPig elected in the first place. If he becomes President, HitlerPig, or someone worse, will be back in office in 2032.
I want the next Democratic president to be an aggressive, no apology, hard core reformer, who isn't afraid to stand up to Sociopathic Oligarchs and Traitors.
If things keep escalating it'll be interesting to see who is still alive to run in 2028
I mean, he probably would have won in 2024. Would be better than what we're seeing now.
He wouldnhave ran the exact same campaign as Harris, who ran the exact same campaign as Clinton. Why do you think Newsom would do any better?
Penis. He would've done better because he has one, and a non-negligible percentage of our voters are sexist.
Biden was fairly popular in 2020 and only squeaked out a victory because the morgues were literally overflowing with dead bodies from COVID. Until the Democrats start advocating for total reforms, they will continue to lose elections.
Assuming the exact campaign, which I'm not even conceeding here. What percentage of votes do you think a white male who hasn't thrown people in jail for drugs as a prosecutor could have drummed up?
I'm thinking there's a 5 - 15% spread there, easy.
He's also got a lot more wit and charisma, so even the same "Trump bad" campaign would have been more effective.
While I liked both Harris and Biden, this last election proved you need to be a white make and you need to be loud and argumentative. Policies, intelligence, ethics, competence are no longer important. Biden biggest mistake was laying out the foundation that would make america better over a decade, when people are clamoring for immediate action, or at least noise and chaos. Newsom can stand there and argue with the fascists.
Libs have never met a white male moderate they wouldn't vote for over any woman of color or socialist.
Honestly it's charisma more than anything. JFK, Johnson Clinton, gore doesn't have it, Kerry doesn't have it, Obama has it, Hillary doesn't have it, Biden doesn't really but post trump litterally a walking corpse worked. Kamala doesn't have it, and people have goldfish memories.
Ok, but let's not pretend gore didn't win. It was just close enough in the final state that the supreme court gave it to Bush rather than keep recounting
This seems a little begging the question.
Even if it wasn't, it's a little damning to liberals who now seem to only like a candidate if they think they are "charismatic", which seems suspiciously ill-defined.
It's the apathetic voters/ moderates that get on board with charisma. The right has a far more dependable base when it comes to getting out to vote. I think newsome is a scumbag but he's a much more electable candidate than Harris. His shift to the right recently is gross and is the opposite of what Dems need. I have never liked him as a person but I used to generally agree with his positions, and was far more ok with him running before the last 8 mo or so. AOC would be a better candidate than him, she would inspire people to vote and I think she can overcome the the misogyny and racism by getting a bigger number to vote. Newsome could probably win but would be pulling more votes from Rs than he would bringing more votes to the table.
No offense, but what is even the point of your politics if it can be boiled down to, "sure, this guy has terrible policies and I hate the guy personally, but he can win so I'll support him anyway"?
Democrats will never win if all they campaign on is 'we just want the most charismatic person'. People already don't have any faith in our democratic system, and now we're just flat out telling them 'the only thing we care about is aesthetics'.
Big yikes.
It's called pragmatism. Democrats might not be great as a whole but at least their policies generally trend in the right direction and things slowly get better with Democrats like him vs a rapid decline when Republicans get control. I'm not willing to burn it all down, if the other choice is slow improvement. I think he's a true politician, which I find a distasteful trait, but mostly he's been a decent governor and it's really been his rhetoric lately, trying to appeal to the right, I really don't like about him. I have young children. I can't torch my life being radical, even if I generally lean to the far left of the spectrum.
I've always found this word/idea funny because there's a famous American psychologist by the name of William James that coined a branch of philosophy by that name, that was basically intended as a way of rationalizing religious belief by observing how it effected someone's behavior.
People (including James) think that using that word evokes a type of self-evident common sense, when in reality it has always been a word that rationalizes commonly held but indeterminate and often irrational beliefs.
Idk man. You do what's best for your kids, but I think it's irrational to abandon your convictions because you have greater faith in the superficiality of american voters than you do in your own political ideals. Maybe it's true, but it's just as likely that you are making that the case by undercutting your own values in favor of vanity.
I think it's far more likely that democrats are mistaking a lack of charisma for a lack of popular policy. Maybe it isn't because they lack charisma, but because they are in denial about there being something they're leaving unaddressed with their middling technocratic ideas.
I'm not abandoning my convictions, I'll vote for the Democrat I think most aligns with my beliefs in the primary which I'm hoping is AOC. If my candidate doesn't win I will vote for the person I think is better to run the country(just a wild guess but it won't be the Republican candidate). The green party/Jil Stein doesn't interest me at all.
If Gavin Newsome is the Democratic candidate, he will be the only viable voting choice. I'd only be abandoning my convictions if I didn't vote, or voted for an option that has zero chance of winning.
Voting for a candidate that won't possibly win is not a viable choice. It improves the odds of the person who is counter to all my convictions winning instead of 1/2 of them.
I'm not saying that the DNC isn't wrong about their approach to getting voters, but the worst option is for them to back a candidate like Newsome without the charisma aka Kamala Harris.
If Kamala was running with Bernie's platform she probably wins a close race. If Newsome ran on Bernie's platform it's probably a landslide. Him running kamala's platform it's probably a narrow victory. I think AOC would win by less than Newsome if they were both running her platform, because misogyny, but still wins pretty big overall in the general.
If Newsom had Sanders' platform, not only would he not be Newsom, he wouldn't be the democratic darling.
AOC is supremely charismatic, and so is Sanders. Democrats keep them on short leashes because they're popular, and because they'd completely ruin the democratic fundraising platform. That's it. That's the whole thing.
Yeah no shit but I'd rather vote for slow progress than deal with the rapid decline of social and economic freedom under Republican rule. Railing against Democrats like Newsome especially after primaries happen is fucking foolish.
But railing against them well before that is warranted.
Well, Bush and Trump aren't exactly charismatic either.
Trump is charismatic to low IQ and racist people and has a ton of propaganda being churned out on social media. Also right wing voters are more consistent getting out to vote and will almost always rally behind their guy. If gore had any personality he would have smoked bush who while not exactly charismatic he was someone people "could have a beer with". Carter wasn't very charismatic but probably the best person to hold the office and won on the back of Nixon and Watergate, much like Biden winning after Trump's first term.
Moderate?
No thank you.