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"returning the lands" is literally denying Israel's right to existance
No, they (both sides) need to respect the other sides historical right to the land and need accept that they might need to live beside each other if they want to live on that piece of land.
OMG YOU CANT JUST SUGGEST PEOPLE BE TOLERANT
I BET YOU JUST WANT EVERYONE TO STOP KILLING EACH OTHER.
YOU MUST WANT ISRAEL/PALESTINE/NO-ONE TO WIN YOU OUT OF TOUCH WESTERNER.
^y-yes?^
HEY EVERYONE, WE GOT A PRO-ISRAEL, OR PRO-PALESTINE, OR PRO-BOTH-SIDES HERE. MAKE THEM FEEL ASHAMED FOR HAVING, OR NOT HAVING, A RADICAL OPINION ON A DISTANT, NEVER ENDING RELIGIOUS CONFLICT.
Only one side categorically rejects that, and it's not Israel.
Man, imagine being this stupid and thinking "I'm not stupid".
Imagine not being able to read Hamas's charter.
From wikipedia article on a city of Acre:
Now, how many Jewish residents there are in Gaza strip (after 2005 unilateral disengagement)? Which side seems to respect the other side historical right to live in peace?
Are we referring to the right to exist in ancestral lands where largely, the only claim to such lands are a millennias old religious text? The current occupants of said land have actual, clear historical precedence rooted in fact to occupy said land.
Also, as others have pointed out, I think it's pretty clear that Israel could exist anywhere. The concept of a nation is largely driven by the shared collective of human experiences, culture, norms, and beliefs of the people that inhabit said Nation, not geographical boundaries.
Jews have always lived in that area (called Transjordan) and one of the reasons the British empire created the ethnostate of Israel was to stop another mass exodus of Jews happening. This time in a land where they have lived for thousands of years. Their claim is not different from the one of Palestinians.
There is plenty of archeologial and genetic proof that Jews are native to the area. It's not simply a claim because of religion.
Palestine on the other hand was not happy with the decision from the beginning and didn't want to accept sharing the land with a group that was a (not well liked) minority.
Now we know that probably Israel also wasn't happy with the sharing, though they pretended to be (or perhaps they were, who knows). Because they proceeded to take land from Palestine.
But they need the land their fairytale book specifies, otherwise their magical sky wizard will be angered.
No country (ethnostate especially) has a right to exist. The people have rights to live unmolested lives to the fullest (just like the Palestinians), but states have no rights.
States have no rights other than those they can enforce at the end of a gun.
rent to own?
I'd rather not take sides on this clusterfuck of an issue but I do want to point out that if your ancestors leave your homeland for hundreds of years and then you return, your claim to the land in a self-righteous ethnostate is a little questionable.
"Israel" can exist anywhere. Doesn't have to be on top of Palestine.
Where would you recommend they go?
The reason it is where it is now is because they were trying to find somewhere to go when fleeing the Holocaust, and literally everywhere said, "no, eff off" until GB was like, "here, go live in this colony that we have that's kinda your ancestral homeland or whatever."
Ummm no...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1926
So you're pointing out Israel was no longer a colony at the time? Not sure what your point is here.
Are you stupid
What is it with people calling others morons and idiots when asked to clarify. Come on now.
Sorry, I'm very jaded by people being intentionally stupid, I on the other hand am just stupid...
Yeah, I'm with the other guy. Your link just talks about how British Colonies had some level of autonomy after 1929. I'm not sure how that is relevant...
Germany.
Before or after they throw out those of the Muslim refugees who are already now indulging in anti-semitism in Germany?
Not relevant
Palestine can be anywhere. It doesn't have to be on top of the Byzantine Empire territory. The land clearly belongs to Italy.
And if someone else was still claiming that land legitimately I'd favor them too. See how objectivity works when ur not a complete hack?
Yes, that is correct.