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The former president files several fresh motions to toss out Fulton County election interference charges

Attorneys for Donald Trump claim that the former president didn’t have “fair notice” that his attempts to reverse his Georgia loss in the 2020 presidential election could result in criminal charges against him.

A flurry of filings in Fulton County Superior Court on Monday argue that the sprawling election interference case against Mr Trump “consists entirely of core political speech at the zenith of First Amendment protections”.

Attorneys for the former president want the case dismissed on grounds that he has “presidential immunity” from actions while in office, that he was already acquitted for similar allegations in his second impeachment trial, and that he was never told that what he was doing in the state – where he is charged as part of an alleged racketeering scheme to unlawfully subvert the state’s election results – could be prosecuted.

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[–] utopianfiat@lemmy.world 304 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Say it with me friends

Ignorance of the law is no excuse

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 84 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It worked for Jr. Apparently he was too stupid to collude with Russia, despite his best efforts.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 54 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Being too stupid to do it is different from I didn't know. Though both are bad.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The next trump legal argument: "yer honor I'm literally too dumb to commit crimes"

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago

I wonder if being found incompetent to stand trail would have any effect on what he did as president. Like would they just invalidate anything he signed?

[–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 67 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not only that, but he was definitely informed. White House counsel and other informed professionals were privy to a bunch of meetings where people were talking about these ideas, and they shared their opinions and sometimes got in shouting matches or resigned.

I think Trump's brain genuinely cannot process the concepts of "right" and "wrong" as distinct from whatever he feels like doing, and so you could say: Yes, people whose job it is to be informed experts told him very clearly that these things were illegal, but his brain is so rotten and single-minded that he couldn't absorb that their advice might be objectively true, any more than a dog can understand a "keep off the grass" sign.

Fortunately I think the chance of his lawyers advancing that as a defense is pretty remote.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It boils down to:

No one stopped me in the moment so that means I'm allowed

Like if you tell a child not to touch a hot stove, they touch it, then get mad you didn't stop them.

You always got to think what would a toddler do if you want to understand trump.

[–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. It's just not a logical frame of mind. If you tried to stop me in the moment, you're the enemy and you must be destroyed, how dare you, I feel angry, fuck you. If I did it and later it turned out it was wrong, you should have stopped me, how dare you, it's not my fault, it's your fault, I feel angry, fuck you.

[–] PwnTra1n@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You just laid out all his platforms. I’m angry and fuck you are maga staples

[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Ignorance of the law is no excuse

Unless you're a cop illegally detaining someone for breaking a non-existent law

[–] SuperTulle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 10 months ago

And hasn't been since before the Roman empire, possibly longer.

Ignorantia juris non excusat