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The video shows Michael Yon making false claims regarding so-called "terrorists coming across the border being funded by Jewish money." Yon was speaking at a "Take Back Our Border" convoy in Texas.

In the video posted on X, formerly Twitter, the man can be heard claiming that HIAS, a global Jewish nonprofit that works to protect refugees, is responsible for funding terrorists coming to America.

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 156 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Descends into?

Are you sure they weren't there all along?

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 99 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Indeed. We need a new version of Godwin's law. Something like

The odds of xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, or antisemitism appearing in a conversation is directly proportional to the number of conservatives participating in that conversation.

[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 64 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hence forth this will be known as “Billiams law”

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] irreticent@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] monotremata@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Not that accent

[–] TengoDosVacas@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

So say we all!

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Godwin's law was always more harm than good. Basically stating that despite a long history with fascism, it was inappropriate to compare Republicans to fascists/Nazis. Sure not everyone who votes Republican is a fascist. They're just okay with fascists. But if you are a fascist or modern Nazi, if you vote you vote Republican and always have.

What you're putting forward is much more like a razor anyway. See Occam's or Hanlon's.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

...my dude, the only people who are okay with fascists are other fascists. Like, that's not even a debatable question.

Godwin didn't say it wasn't okay to call Republicans Nazis, he warned that one shouldn't make such comparisons lightly because it risks desensitizing everyone to the atrocities the Nazis committed and numbs the impact being called a Nazi should have. And to an extent he's still correct, as much of the Republican party thinks the issue with Nazism is branding (The Boys summed it up perfectly when Stormfront said "People love what I have to say, they just don't like the word 'Nazi' ".)

He also said it's perfectly fine comparing Trump to Hitler.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I agree with you. Though perhaps I was being too subtle. Yes, if you are okay with fascists and fascism then you are one of them. The whole point was that it isn't better to support it than it is to outright claim to be it.

As the proverb says, the road to hell is often paved with good intentions. That may have been what Godwin intended. But that wasn't the result. The result was we were loathe to even discuss the Republican party's enduring fascism problems In general. Especially in recent times. Because someone would shout out "Godwin's law!" as a discussion-ending cliche. Simply because Republicans hadn't slaughtered millions recently.

We lost all focus on how it starts, over defference with how it ended. Leaving many many people to wonder where the fascism that has existed for most of the last 100 years suddenly came from.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Look man, I'm gonna need you to stop being so reasonable and polite when debating on the Internet, or I'm gonna have to call your ISP and get your internet privileges revoked.

[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

"Texas border convoy removes mask"

[–] ours@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

And it would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you kids and your dog.

[–] vanquesse@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 months ago

I mean yes, but also no: most of them are probably antivaxx and antimask

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

"descends into," "reveals undertone of," tomatoes, tomahtoes