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Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism

Death to fascists

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[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 77 points 4 months ago

It's not hypocritical or duplicitous to campaign as a progressive against racism but then turn around and support a segregationist's presidential bid, and refuse to call for a ceasefire for months as Israel commits genocide?

[-] HeavenAndEarth@hexbear.net 45 points 4 months ago

I mean, Bernie always said he would endorse the Democratic candidate if he lost and he was consistent in his career of being a liberal Zionist. So yes, he is not a hypocrite.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 38 points 4 months ago

That's definitely true but I'd still say he was deceiving his supporters, even if those who read up on his history would notice the problem.

[-] infinitevalence@discuss.online 4 points 4 months ago

no, because what happens if he takes a hard line on this, he looses all his political capital and goes back to being a small fish. Unlike the democrats he does not have a large party backing him he has to make more compromises and pick and choose on the issues that he can meaningfully impact.

Just saying no to everything for ideological reasons alone is what the Republicans do, and we have seen how effective their governance is.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 58 points 4 months ago

He is a small fish already and has no political future to speak of. We're judging him as a person.

[-] infinitevalence@discuss.online 6 points 4 months ago

Im judging him for his effectiveness at representing the population of Vermont, and while they might look homogeneous they are not.

What would you ask of him since you are judging his person. What is your request, and have you written him to help him understand your position? Or are you just here attacking him from a safe position anonymously and trying to drive up internet outrage, when we need to be directing our outrage to them directly and in forms that their staff have to read?

[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 53 points 4 months ago

Bernie does regular AMA's on Hexbear. He reads all of our comments.

[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 4 months ago

Yeah he's a regular poster on AITA

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 43 points 4 months ago

Their staff doesn't give a fuck. Grow up.

[-] idkmybffjoeysteel@hexbear.net 35 points 4 months ago

You think that you can just write to career politicians and they will change their position? Has this ever happened even once? You are supposed to take them to dinner and donate to their "campaign" if you want them to pay attention.

[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Biden is in town soliciting opinions for $6600 - $100k depending on how important your opinion is

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 53 points 4 months ago

What capital? What did it afford him in means of policy change?

Here is an idea: call Israel genocidal state, leak all classified info he can get his hands on and punch biden. Probably will save more people that this barking

[-] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 44 points 4 months ago

we have seen how effective their governance i

I mean, they're absolutely awful, but in terms of accomplishing their goals Mitch McConnel's strategy of saying no to everything in order to deny the Democrats a win has worked out brilliantly.

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 44 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

First of all, there is no "compromise" between "genocide palestinians" and "don't genocide palestinians."

the plurality of 18-29 year olds, that is, the only group of people who supported sanders in his primary bids are also the group most likely to be against israel's genocide of palestinians. with whom does he gain "political capital" by supporting israel? People who never supported him in the first place. with whom does he lose "political capital?" The people who supported him. Anyway I hope someone more sophisticated than me in the art of rhetoric and more patient in the art of education is able to exorcise your brainworms with respect to liberal "compromise" politics.

Just saying no to everything for ideological reasons alone is what the Republicans do, and we have seen how effective their governance is.

The republicans and the democrats both support israel, both support war against china, both support NATO expansion, both support capitalism, both support imperialism, both support racism. Demokkk-rats just do it more politely. They drive the car off the cliff at 90 miles an hour instead of 100 miles an hour. They drone strike the children instead of sending roided up marines to do it in person. Oh, and they have slight disagreements with their republican colleagues on matters of priority, like whether China or Russia is a bigger threat, but not on fundamentals.

[-] dementor333@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago

First of all, there is no "compromise" between "genocide palestinians" and "don't genocide palestinians."

ok but what if we only genocide half the Palestinians?

[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 4 months ago

just the bad half?

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 42 points 4 months ago

no, because what happens if he takes a hard line on this, he looses all his political capital

Capital, that thing that you need to never spend because when you spend it you don't get it back. Oh, sorry, that's "The lives of genocide victims", "capital" is something you do spend ("invest") to get more of it.

[-] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 38 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Just saying no to everything for ideological reasons alone is what the Republicans do, and we have seen how effective their governance is.

Your talking about how they direct how everything goes even if they aren't technically in power to the point were their opposition claims that if they win just more one election they super win forever?

[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 23 points 4 months ago

like Rosa said

Indeed, a bourgeois party, that is, a party which says yes to the existing order as a whole, but which will say no to the day-to-day consequences of this order, is a hybrid, an artificial creation, which is neither fish nor flash nor fowl. We who oppose the entire present order see things quite differently. In our no, in our intransigent attitude, lies our whole strength. It is this attitude that earns us the fear and respect of the enemy and the trust and support of the people.

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 36 points 4 months ago

Them: "but isn't [all of these hypocritical things] hypocritical?"

You: "No because that would be inconvenient".

This is your brain on liberalism.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Just saying no to everything for ideological reasons alone is what the Republicans do

"Obstructing your opponent for ideological reasons is what Republicans do"

Yes, and it's highly effective. Imagine if someone with a good ideology did that.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 4 months ago

No but it's bad you see! Because the bad guys do it! Republicans breathe air too! So we should all stop breathing!

[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 31 points 4 months ago

Just saying no to everything for ideological reasons alone is what the Republicans do, and we have seen how effective their governance is.

In the last half-century, who's policy has been more predominant, Republican or Democrat? You can't deny that "saying no to everything for ideological reasons" has been an effective strategy for implementing their vision, regardless of how shitty it's been in practice. Wouldn't it be nice to have real victory for a change? Not just this "they go low, we go high" empty moral victory?

[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 4 months ago

he has no capital... he never did

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