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CNN analysts immediately after the debate are saying the dems are pannicing.

lol, lmao, who could’ve seen this coming

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[-] ThisMachinePostsHog@hexbear.net 83 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The political history nerd in me is honestly finding this really fascinating to be witnessing right now. Seeing liberal pundits saying that Biden needs to step down before the convention, reading all of the articles about it, etc. This might be one of those things that gets talked about in Presidential history 50 years from now, how abysmal Joe Biden was as a president and how his own party could no longer deny how unfit he was to remain as president (4 months before the election lmao).

[-] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 52 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Probably in the same paragraph as the JFK/Nixon debate as the examples of positive and negative influence of televised debates in American politics.

[-] orangejuche@hexbear.net 56 points 6 days ago

I hope in 50 years the children aren’t learning about us presidents.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 48 points 6 days ago

I hope in 50 years there are children

[-] orangejuche@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago
[-] Black_Mald_Futures@hexbear.net 22 points 6 days ago

white kids are still kids, how can you be anti kids, you kids hater

[-] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 18 points 6 days ago

white privilege is worse for the mind than lead and microplastics combined.

whiteness was invented a few hundred years ago, it can be destroyed.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 8 points 6 days ago

Tricknology and Trickonomics may yet be defeated

Yakub works in mysterious ways.

[-] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 27 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I understand the sentiment, but shouldn't posterity learn about the evil and hubris of the American Empire/US Presidents?

[-] RaisedFistJoker@hexbear.net 16 points 6 days ago

the textbook is already overflowing with warcrimes lol, maybe they get one of the little notes below a picture on the side of the page

[-] meeshen@vegantheoryclub.org 19 points 6 days ago

Picture of Trump, text beneath reads "Joseph Biden" because people don't care about the US anymore

a man can dream

[-] orangejuche@hexbear.net 8 points 6 days ago

We should be forgetting what we can forget.

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 28 points 6 days ago

i-think-that History is a necessary part of education and forgetting any part of our past no matter how dark would have a negative impact.

Like they probably don't need to learn the individual presidents but Leon_Grotsky is right like learning how evil what came before was would be a good thing.

[-] Barx@hexbear.net 24 points 6 days ago

I hope that in 50 years they are learning about presidents of the former United States.

[-] orangejuche@hexbear.net 7 points 6 days ago

Let us not teach children great man theory

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 28 points 6 days ago

Do you think "not teaching great man theory" means you stop mentioning individual people in history lmao. Like does not teaching kids great man theory mean we don't teach them who Lenin is either?

Like obviously socialist history education would focus on historical materialism but that doesn't mean that you start hiding the names of the evil men who did the things that came before. They should learn the names, and learn to spit on them.

[-] Barx@hexbear.net 27 points 6 days ago

I agree! But the children should still be taught about the functionaries of the Great Satan.

This is one of the contributing factors of the USSR, after all. They fell for liberal propaganda about how things work, obscuring the realities of how they actually work under capitalism. All those Soviet academics lauding Peristroika and expecting Russia to join as an equal partner in the liberal order found a very different situation in reality.

If we do not displace this propaganda we will fall victim to it. Teach the children about the realities of liberalism. Teach them about the full violence of the wars and the genocides and the disposession and how every president helped out as best they could, manufacturing consent and creating policy on behalf of the ruling class.

The way the system works can be hard to internalize. It is not great man theory but it is also not just structural forces. Structural forces, the ruling class, effect their interests through people who think it is themselves who are in charge, at least most of the time. It is only when they step out of line that they learn how the system really works, and even then they cling to some self-aggrandizing falsehoods. Every ghoul in bourgeois political office can choose to buck this order and either does not (maintaining their position) or does so (losing their position).

Basically... base and superstructure is something that I think is underemphasized when it comes to the political class. Presidents go in superstructure, of course.

[-] Black_Mald_Futures@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago

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