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Take Rogue One off that image and I'll agree with you.
The fact that they got lucky one time doesn't mean the overall problem isn't a problem.
I mean didn't they kinda get lucky on the first movie? I saw Rogue 1 as more of a return to form.
Yes, but the meme is that a wide variety of inspiration from good movies was used to create Star Wars and then Star Wars was used to spawn out a bunch of stuff without any apparent additional inspiration.
Might not be literally true for every subsequent movie included in the meme, but the overall point is accurate.
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Andor is also amazing (not on the list) but I'd argue it isn't really inspired by Star Wars. It is in the same universe, but I think it takes a lot more from other media, and also real life, than it does from Star Wars.
Rogue One is alright. Not amazing but not as bad as the rest. It is largely still just Star Wars with a different cast. There's hints that it could have been something special, but it wasn't allowed to.
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I really don't think that:
- Andor
- Rogue One
- The Clone Wars
belong with the group in the second panel. I love Star Wars and I'm also very critical of how much it reuses concepts and content across its (mainly film, but in other mediums occasional as well) catalog. There's a whole fucking galaxy of shit out there -- approximately 50 million populated worlds and 100 quadrillion sapient lives in known space alone (according to the EU, so take it as you will) -- and we see like two dozen planets and one family in the movies. It's frustrating.
A yes, another show making a pit stop in Tatooine.
somehow the camera crew went back to tatooine
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Who thinks rogue one is a bad starwars movie? Best thing since ep2 attack of the clones
I don't think that's what is implied. They're implying that works with a lot of inspirational sources created the original Star Wars Trilogy, but then Star Wars was used as the sole inspiration for a bunch of other films. The post title says that this is a problem from a creativity standpoint.
It makes no other statements aside from that.
Something I admire about the fallout show that just came out is it actually has quite a few callbacks to the original source material (a boy and his dog, 1975) that inspired the first Fallout game. There are probably other influences that would be fun to learn about and it conceivably could be taken further to make a completely standalone series, and now I'm wondering what something like that would look like.
In case you don't know, Fallout was inspired by Wasteland and Wasteland has since been brought back and is inspired by (mostly classic) Fallout.
TIL!
You forgot Dune. The book, not the movie. A lot from Dune inspired the basis of Star Wars.
You beat me to that. Ty. 👍
I mean, it makes much more sense if you analyze who the grinders are, too. The old ones were George NOT having full control, pulling inspiration from classics.
The new ones were made by J.J Abrams, one of the most creatively bankrupt morons in Hollywood, pulling from his ass. He was smart enough to realize people like mysteries, but was never smart enough to figure out how to reveal a mystery or tie it in to an overarching story.
Somebody honestly thought they'd slam dunked me in a debate about if "AT-AT" is spoken as "at at" or "A T A T" by saying that JJ Abrams says "at at".
This does not make sense. Are you saying that the ideas (or lack of ideas) of the prequels are what contributed to the problems of modern Star Wars?
The prequels had flaws, but ideas and worldbuilding were the least of them. Say what you will about the bad dialogue and directing choices, the prequels at least attempted to tell a fresh story that expanded the universe, and didn't just rely on nostalgia.
George Lucas could have just made another OT-style adventure, but he deliberately chose not to. He could have used more practical sets and effects, but he wanted to push the medium. He made a lot of mistakes, but he also laid the foundation for future stories to take place in the universe he built.
If anything, one of the big problems with modern Star Wars is when they ignore that foundation. Writers and directors are concerned with putting their creative stamp on things, which leads to incoherence.
The meme is riffing on the criticism that Star Wars has become too self-referential. That modern Star Wars are inspired only by earlier iterations of Star Wars, rather than the more diverse list of inspirations for the original film. It's not a comment on the quality of the PT.
I think the idea is that the original movie drew it's ideas from a ton of sources and that the new films' only sources of ideas are earlier star wars films.
I think you’re absolutely correct. When Disney bought it and invalidated/retconned all established Star Wars lore and world building, they threw out the foundation.
You take some raw meat, not even necessarily very good meat, and run it through a meat grinder. You've got hamburger, and you can make a pretty delicious hamburger.
You take a cooked hamburger and run it through a meat grinder, and you're getting something else, and if you try to make a new hamburger, it's going to taste weird.
There's not enough raw pulp going into the meat grinder for the latter entries.
Rogue One is an amazing movie
Am I the only person that liked Solo? :(
I thought it was decent, wouldn’t rave about it, but had a good time
Maybe it’s because I really enjoy playing sabacc with the replica cards I have.
I thought there was plenty to like about both Solo and Rogue One, but they both relied too much on nostalgia and familiarity to be actually decent on their own. I've heard good things about the original cut of Solo and wish we could have seen that.
I do think rogue one is a better story than solo by far. But solo was not bad imo. I really enjoyed it.
Solo just really suffered because everyone was so burnt out from the sequel trilogy just failing on so many levels. I didn't bother seeing it until years after release.
To be fair, I don't think the même is saying all new star wars is bad, just that it would be better if it was less self referential.
I'd agree it's good. Not great or anything, but good.
Possibly. I'd rate it the worst of the Disney movies.
Worse than Rise of Skywalker?
Solo at least had a coherent plot with multiple memorable performances. Donald Glover and Woody Harrelson both were a ton of fun whenever on screen. Adam Driver carried the ST but Kylo's Redemption arc in Rise was boring.
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And Dune was also used.
Picture like this for Warhammer 40k would be huge
Just Dan Abnet in some kinda writers human centipede
Quite accurate
Solo was a pretty good movie and I'm very upset it didn't get a sequel.
AI has run out of content to train itself on
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