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[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Me talking about stalin with other marxists: he did lots of good, did some bad, we should evaluate his actions and make sure to not repeat them, while keeping the actions that enabled numerous successes. *lists multiple fuckups stalin did with the chinese civilwar, tito-stalin split, homosexuality ban, etc)

Me when talking to Liberals about stalin: Stalin is my father and leader

[–] Sinister@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If they hate him, it means he must have the right idea.

[–] beautiful_boater@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

TBF liberals hate fascists, just significantly less than they hate communists.

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

nah, they hate the imagery of nazis (high school history and emergence of basic political ability), they don't really know enough of what fascism is to hate it in any other form.

Ukraine comes to mind

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

100-com they hate us. That hate will lead them to cheer on fascists.

[–] MoreAmphibians@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Ukraine has shown that liberals will actively cheer on fascists as soon as somebody gives them permission to do so.

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[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It really feels like there’s a point where amerikkkan propaganda destroys history and I think we’ve reached that with Stalin

[–] Big_Bob@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Stalin did nothing wrong. Except stopping at Berlin.

[–] Lols@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (8 children)

its true, generally good guy that made great strides for lgbtq folks

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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

folks if you look below the post topic, but right above the comment box, you'll see

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if you click one of them you'll go to the cross-posted post where you have the opportunity to respectfully engage with users whom may not know about the discussions we've had here.

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[–] aleph@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (11 children)

He is also quoted as saying

Death solves all problems. No man, no problem.

True, Stalin was a more nuanced character that he is usually given credit for but he was still a paranoid and brutal man who was responsible for the deaths of a lot of innocent people.

Let's not fall into the trap of either lionizing or demonizing historical figures.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Don't you find it a little strange that this short bit of quote is so often repeated but we never hear the context for it?

When you hear it out of context it sounds callous and cruel, but it would be a very different statement if (for example) he said it in response to finding out Hitler killed himself or that some enemy had died of cancer or something.

And that's not even taking into account the fact that it's inherently very suspicious that nobody seems to be able to produce a source for the original context and attribution of the quote.

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[–] charlie@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

downbear

Edit: if you’re going to quote, at least put a fucking source. Right now you’re making shit up.

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[–] halvar@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Said the guy in part famous for exporting all the bread there was in Ukraine to other parts of his empire.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (20 children)

Yeah, that's definitely what happened lol

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[–] Trippin@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Hitler also had some great ideas and quotes. But he's still Hitler.

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