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Edward Snowden wrote on social media to his nearly 6 million followers, "Do not ever trust @OpenAI ... You have been warned," following the appointment of retired U.S. Army General Paul Nakasone to the board of the artificial intelligence technology company.

Snowden, a former National Security Agency (NSA) subcontractor, was charged with espionage by the Justice Department in 2013 after leaking thousands of top-secret records, exposing the agency's surveillance of private citizens' information.

In a Friday morning post on X, formerly Twitter, Snowden reshared a post providing information on OpenAI's newest board member. Nakasone is a former NSA director, and the longest-serving leader of the U.S. Cyber Command and chief of the Central Security Service. He retired from the NSA, a position he held since 2018, in February.

Snowden wrote in an X post, "They've gone full mask-off: do not ever trust @OpenAI or its products (ChatGPT etc.) There is only one reason for appointing an @NSAGov Director to your board. This is a willful, calculated betrayal of the rights of every person on Earth." He concluded the post, writing, "You have been warned."

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 98 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Newsweek making it sound like Snowden is a James Bond villain issuing pronouncements from his skull-shaped island lair.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 93 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Posts like these really bring out the Nextdoor app type lemmy people. Everything's a conspiracy.

Point is it doesn't matter who they add to OpenAI, OpenAI is already a problem. There is no conspiracy, you missed the boat. Your data is already being scraped, traded and sold to the Nth degree by corporations, and the government just goes ahead and buys it instead of forming yet another agency to scrape it all themselves (yay, privatization?). OpenAI is just the next level of the same. Doesn't matter who is on the board, the damage has already been done. So Snowden is way behind the times and frankly his commentary is irrelevant - or at least nothing that the news hasn't been complaining about with the rampant theft of IP by AI makers for the last couple of years or more.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago

Snowden just said that they had gone "mask-off" - so I think it was just aimed at those who still refuses to believe it.

[–] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

exactly, anyone trusting AI companies in general beforehand and being swayed by this one statement from Snowden, doesn’t understand the technology or environment enough to be effectively skeptical in the first place.

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What are Nextdoor app type people?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Every "bang" they hear outside from a car backfire is gunfire. Every "boom" sound is a potential bomb. Every terrorist or rapist wants to visit your boring suburban neighborhood and is creeping around in broad daylight walking down the sidewalk. Every helicopter flying over is something nefarious. The government is out to get you. A police car mentioned going anywhere with the lights on must mean a horrific murder or "Praise jesus lord protect our police" followed by a blue line flag pic.

Every post warrants unsolicited derogatory political commentary, i.e. "Nice day outside..." followed by "Those fucking lying sleepy joe democrats are full of shit about climate change it's fine outside!" Or some unsolicited "praise Jesus its a nice day you wouldn't have the sun earth and stars if it weren't for Jesus praise God you're all sinners." with a crapton of emojis.

It's an awful place. I briefly tried it for yard sales and looking for services like tree trimming, but it's not worth it.

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[–] lud@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Dunno, but by their explanation it sounds like r/conspiracy aka the stupidest and most paranoid people alive.

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[–] SamuraiBeandog@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

So Snowden is way behind the times and frankly his commentary is irrelevant

This is some heavy Dunning-Kruger.

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[–] sunzu@kbin.run 77 points 6 months ago (26 children)

Strong down vote ratio...

Can't tell if "AI" bros or the spooks are butthurt today.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 65 points 6 months ago (2 children)

There are a significant number of people who also really hate Snowden for various reasons (he's a traitor, he ran to Russia, etc.) and don't care whether or not he's making a good point.

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 6 months ago (9 children)

He didn’t really choose Russia, it was the only country that would protect him from rendition.

[–] Morgoon@startrek.website 28 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not even that. He was headed to Cuba, the US government forced him to be in Russia.

"NSA leaker Edward Snowden got stuck at a Moscow airport after Cuba, feeling pressure from Washington, warned that it would not allow an Aeroflot flight from Russia to land in Havana if he were aboard"

And sadly Cuba is all too aware of how petty the USA can be.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm not justifying their reasons, I'm just explaining that's what some of them say.

Oh I know that Mr Squid. I was just adding some context. :)

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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 36 points 6 months ago

AI bros. Most of their investment is wrapped up in OpenAI being glorified

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Alternate explanation, from the normies: it's a purely speculative claim with minimal argument.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Yes, a speculative claim ... from someone who absolutely knows what the fuck they're talking about.

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[–] sunzu@kbin.run 3 points 6 months ago

There is deff speculative element to it. We dont have view of the inner workings and unlikely to see it besides bread crumbs that get leaked over years and astroturfed by the fake news.

People still relying on propaganda networks do have weird idea that they knows what's up.. I guess it is easier to be simping for dudes in power after all. Makes you sleep better at night.

[–] throws_lemy@lemmy.nz 5 points 6 months ago

I guess someone here said that Snowden is behind the times and his comments are not relevant? And try to downplaying something bigger that Snowden might suggest.

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Yeah I don't get it either

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[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 25 points 6 months ago

"do not ever trust [insert large corporation]"

FTFY

[–] AncientFutureNow@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

I asked AI what the torque spec was for my valve cover bolts and ruined my engine. 70ft pounds! I pulled the threads out at 20ft/lbs!

just kidding. im not that stupid.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 21 points 6 months ago

Welcome to Large Language Monitoring

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

This actually makes me think OpenAI is a straight up scam; this is the Elizabeth Holmes strategy.

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