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submitted 9 months ago by spaceghoti@lemmy.one to c/politics@lemmy.world

Over the last few days as most of the media was blathering on about Joe Biden's "bad week," Donald Trump was stepping up his campaign and appearing at various venues saying things and behaving in ways that should have made journalists' ears perk up, wondering if he's lost more than a step. He was wildly dishonest and incredibly self-destructive — even for him.

It started with an interview with Megyn Kelly for her Sirius XM show last Thursday, the first since shortly after Trump crudely insulted her back in 2015 during the first presidential primary debate. Trump seemed to expect a friendly, Fox-like, interview and she gave him plenty of softballs and expressed her agreement with much of his nonsense. But she did ask some probing questions about his legal troubles and once again he more or less confessed to his crimes. He must have said the words "Presidential Records Act" a dozen times, reiterating over and over that he had every right to take any document he chose. And he slipped up continuously, providing the prosecution plenty of fodder:

When the special prosecutor presents this case to the jury they will be told exactly what is supposed to happen with classified documents and they will understand how utterly ridiculous it would be for a president to secretly declassify documents and not tell anyone that they've been declassified.

Over the weekend he spoke at the Christian right "Pray, Vote, Stand" summit in Washington and mocked President Biden mercilessly over his alleged mental unfitness and then said this:

The spooky background music and his bizarre delivery made that downright chilling. He also said:

Any normal person would have just corrected himself for misspeaking but he can never admit he did anything wrong so instead he twisted himself into a verbal pretzel that had it been delivered by Joe Biden would have resulted in a national call to check him into a nursing home immediately.

He later appeared at the Concerned Women for America conference and was a little bit sharper but repeated nonsense such as his silly claim that you need ID to buy a loaf of bread, another sign that he simply cannot retain information. He has certainly heard by now that this is silly and could easily substitute something like "you have to have ID to travel on an airplane" to make his point but he can't do that. Once he gets something like "low flow showers" or "windmills cause cancer" in his head there's no getting it out. That's not normal.

The final segment of his week-end odyssey was the highly anticipated interview on "Meet the Press" which was filmed earlier in the week. To say it was infuriating would be an understatement. As he always does, he ran circles around the show's new host, Kristen Welker, and basically made a mockery of American democracy by demonstrating that an incoherent con artist is going to be the Republican nominee for president — again.

For every viewer who saw that he was completely unfit to be president there is another who got lost in the overwhelming rush of words, or what's known to rhetoricians as "the Gish Gallop," a tactic designed to "defeat one's opponent by burying them in a torrent of incorrect, irrelevant, or idiotic arguments."

And he once again showed he is completely oblivious to the legal damage he is doing to himself every time he agrees to answer questions about his cases. Here he confesses that he only listened to lawyers who told him what his own "instincts" told him was true. When pressed he says that the decision about whether the election was rigged was his alone, although he dances away from Welker's question about whether he was "calling the shots."

Watching these events is intensely frustrating and I think it's even more difficult to watch now than before. Trump is no longer a first-time candidate taking the political press by surprise. Neither is he the president whose office confers such immense power that even a dolt like Trump is automatically given more deference than he deserves. Today he is just another candidate for president and he doesn't deserve to be treated with any more respect than any of the others. In fact, he deserves less since he is a criminal defendant in four different cases and was recently found liable for sexual assault to the tune of $5 million.

The man sat in all the interviews and appearances and made it crystal clear that he believes he is above the law. In fact, with his endless blathering about how he can do whatever he wants with classified documents, he makes it clear that he believes he is the law. And yet, the befuddled yet eager media is treating Donald Trump with the same consideration they always did, before they knew how disordered and his mind was and what a danger he is to American democracy and the rule of law.

I had thought after the widely criticized CNN Trump town hall everyone understood that you simply cannot allow Trump to ramble incoherently to cover for his unwillingness to answer the questions. They have to find another way to cover him. And yet there he was this weekend on "Meet The Press" doing exactly that. And in spite of the interview being pre-taped, they aired it as if it was live and only put a fact-check on their website after the fact. For every viewer who saw that he was completely unfit to be president there is another who got lost in the overwhelming rush of words, or what's known to rhetoricians as "the Gish Gallop," a tactic designed to "defeat one's opponent by burying them in a torrent of incorrect, irrelevant, or idiotic arguments." That's what Trump does, however unconsciously, and the media aids and abets him by treating him as if he's just another politician.

The Guardian's Margaret Sullivan wrote about this problem last week:

Trump is covered mostly as an entertaining sideshow – his mugshot! His latest insults! – not a perilous threat to democracy, despite four indictments and 91 charges against him, and despite his own clear statements that his re-election would bring extreme anti-democratic results; he would replace public servants with the cronies who'll do his bidding. "We will look back on this and wish more people had understood that Biden is our bulwark of democratic freedoms and the alternative is worse than most Americans can imagine," commented Ruth Ben-Ghiat, author of Strongmen, and an expert in authoritarian regimes.

She says the solution for journalists is simpler than we think:

Remember at all times what our core mission is: to communicate truthfully, keeping top of mind that we have a public service mission to inform the electorate and hold powerful people to account. If that's our north star, as it should be, every editorial judgment will reflect that. Headlines will include context, not just deliver political messaging. Overall politics coverage will reflect "not the odds, but the stakes", as NYU's Jay Rosen elegantly put it. Lies and liars won't get a platform and a megaphone.

I wish I had more confidence that this would happen. At this point, I think we just have to fervently hope that there are enough people in this country who can see through that cacophony of BS and vote as if their future depends upon him never holding office again — because it does.

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[-] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 80 points 9 months ago

“I’m allowed to have these documents. I’m allowed to take these documents…When I have them, they become unclassified. People think you have to go through a ritual. You don’t, at least in my opinion.”

This guy thinks when someone hands him documents that they become "unclassified".

I don't even know what to say to that. How was this man ever President of the fucking country... He's a fucking moron.

[-] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 52 points 9 months ago

Perfect representative of his people, that's how

[-] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

As an American, I hate how right you are.

[-] agentsquirrel@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago

Indeed. In the US we like to think we're exceptional as far as nations and history goes. The reality is we're just one cult of personality away from 1930's Germany or a third world banana republic, and the Constitution and our form of government falls apart once a few key positions are replaced with irrational choices. We're still debating whether the president can unequivocally absolve themselves of any responsibility for committing the worst crimes against the state, or humanity for that matter.

[-] RojoSanIchiban@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Ok, ok, now look...

There are/were a fuckload of people that hate[ed] Hillary as a candidate for president.

I was one. (I wanted Bernie, fwiw.)

I knew Trump was a dipshit dumpster-fire that would never rise to the station of the office, but holy shit, I never expected Hillary to lose to him, and voted Jack Johnson because it reminded me of the Futurama episode.

Apparently, I wasn't alone, given the shitload of people who protest voted, wrote-in Darth Vader, or fucked up and voted Green Party.

Either way, we fucked up. Bad.

Also, I believe there is a large swath of previously-ignorant voters that just thought Drumpfsterfire would manage to act like an adult once behind the Resolute Desk. My mother was one. I didn't believe that, but I hoped, and I sang along with the South Park kids with "Put It [Twitter/Phone] Down."

At least my mother didn't require much reprogramming .

They were wrong. I was wrong. My poor, impressionable, boomer mother was wrong, and she laments it daily.

[-] tomi000@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

It is really sad when you cant vote for the people who best represent your interests because then the orange nazi gets elected.

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

It's a big reason why we need ranked choice or approval voting. This way, you could vote for the third party candidates that you like the most and still include a major party candidate as a fallback.

[-] Magnergy@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Right on.

But I think people have to get used to using it for smaller, less important things first ."What restaurant should we go to?" And such like. Otherwise the entrenched interests it would oust have easy FUD ammo against it.

For that smaller stuff the mechanics of the system bog people down, so simple voting's easy count wins in the calories/decision evaluation. Maybe some apps that make it easy to do would be helpful. Or some popular board games using it as a mechanic. Discussion forum comment rankings based on it?

[-] magnusrufus@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

It's sad but it was also perfectly well known at the time that that's exactly how it works.

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

The rich and powerful will always have their thumb on the scales. It's been true for every society in human history and will remain true for every society to come. No system is immune from corruption. You've just got to pick the least bad option and fight for every milimetre that you can whenever the opportunity presents itself.

[-] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

I was similar to you. I hated Hillary as a candidate - wished for Bernie instead as well - and I hated Trump too. The only Republican nominee I thought reasonable at all was Kasich. I was very conflicted. As I explained to my wife, Hillary is the devil we know whereas Trump is a complete wildcard. He was clearly an idiot but I find it hard to believe anyone could have predicted just how awful he would prove to be. So in the end despite hating Hillary we voted for her. She was certainly far more qualified. I can't help but believe a whole lot of others would have voted for any other Democrat but her.

[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Damn, i mean, i fucking supported Bernie and i hated Clinton but voted for her anyway because that was the only fucking logical thing to do.

[-] morphballganon@lemmy.world 64 points 9 months ago

Missing a couple of quotes there, after 4th and 5th paragraphs

[-] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 74 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I had to start up Google Chrome to see it. Here, you can benefit from my sacrifice:

Over the weekend he spoke at the Christian right "Pray, Vote, Stand" summit in Washington and mocked President Biden mercilessly over his alleged mental unfitness and then said this:

"We have a man who is totally corrupt and the worst president in the history of our country, who is cognitively impaired, in no condition to lead, and is now in charge of dealing with Rush-sha. And possible nuclear war. Just think of it. We would be... in World War 2, very quickly, if we're going to relying on this man, and far more devastating than any war, there will never be a war, if that happens, there will never be a war like this. It will... obliterate everything... there is. Every body. It will obliterate every country."

The spooky background music and his bizarre delivery made that downright chilling.

There is, in fact, slow piano and violin music overlaid, like the ending to an apocalyptic movie where everything is still.

He also said:

"As you know, crooked Joe Biden and the radical left thugs have weaponized law enforcement to arrest their leading political opponent, and leading by a lot, including Obam-- ep--- w-- I'll tell you what, you take a look at Obama, and take a look at some of the things that he's done. This is the same thing, the country is very divided. And we did, with Obama, we won an election that everyone said couldn't be won, we beat ... ... Hilary Clinton. Now, you know I used to call her crooked Hilary..."

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 23 points 9 months ago

Thank you for your service.

[-] Zron@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

It’s like listening to a toddler who’s just learned about sentences.

They’ll start talking and each word leads to the next, but there’s no cohesive thought being it.

Astounding that this man can apparently hold the attention of a crowd

[-] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I came here to feel and be told who the enemy is. And I'm all out of feels.

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Go into any nursing home in the US and you can find at least five people who talk exactly like this. Its dementia, folks.

[-] FReddit@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

I've long suspected he has dementia from untreated syphilis.

[-] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I would have loved it if there was someone at my grandma's place that would have stood up and made fractured speeches like this. Coming from someone who's aiming to get himself back in charge of the country after doing his best to drive it into a canyon for a full term of office, it's a little less funny.

[-] StarServal@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

Someone like Trump is likely to be a huge bully in a nursing home. Probably not someone I’d want my loved ones being around.

[-] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Yeah, accurate. At the same time a lot of nursing home people give no fucks though. He could upset people or do physical damage to the other residents which wouldn't be ideal, but also they might just start whacking him hard with their cane and put his tough guy demeanor to the test.

[-] spaceghoti@lemmy.one 15 points 9 months ago

They link to what I assume are videos, because Salon didn't show them to my browser. I'm assuming it has something to do with the way I have javascript blocked.

[-] PwnTra1n@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

the article has embedded tweets/twitter videos there

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Hilbert's paradox of the Grand Jury

Keep confessing to new crimes infinitely and they'll never be able to catch up to you!

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 11 points 9 months ago

That is one way to prolong the court trail enough to make it to the election without being found guilty.

[-] init@lemmy.ml 24 points 9 months ago

I think the point here is if he can get any of his jury to slip up and admit or say they saw some of this on TV/online, and that it colored their opinion of him and helped them come to a verdict, that's a mistrial and they have to start this all over again. And that would put his trial until after the election giving him the possibility of immunity once again as a sitting president.

[-] TheJims@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

ABC Always Be Confessing

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

"Everything you say can be used against you." If he simply ignores his right to remain silent, well, let him amass rope to get him hanged.

[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Yo, if you haven’t seen the clips in this article, do yourself a favor and click that shit. It’s fuckin crazy.

[-] MisterD@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

his.. Um...honesty...is refreshing

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