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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 43 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Freedom OF religion also means freedom FROM religion.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 23 points 4 months ago (3 children)

None of that means much of anything if the Supreme Court feels like saying otherwise.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

All them Originalists on the SCROTUS gonna be like "WUT? that's not what they meant.....Now. hold this funnel for my beer..."

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Thomas is the primary originalist here, let's not paint them all with the same brush. If Congress would impeach him, we might have a decent(ish) Court. See my list of "liberal" opinions they're rendered (above).

[–] Yearly1845@reddthat.com 1 points 4 months ago

"Well akshually 1A specifically says Congress, but this is a state level law, so we'll allow it".

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

SCOTUS can hardly be relied on to make conservative calls. Been collecting these for a couple of months.

  • Supreme Court rejects bid to restrict access to abortion pill
  • Supreme Court sides with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, spurning a conservative attack : news
  • Supreme Court upholds law barring domestic abusers from owning guns in major Second Amendment ruling | CNN Politics
  • Justices uphold Trump tax on overseas investments in win for Biden | CNN Politics
  • US must pay more of Native American tribes' healthcare costs, Supreme Court rules | Reuters
  • Texas councilwoman can sue over arrest she claims was politically motivated, Supreme Court rules | CNN Politics
  • Supreme Court declines to step into the fight over bathrooms for transgender students | AP News
  • Supreme Court orders Louisiana to use congressional map with additional Black district | AP News
  • Supreme Court makes it easier to sue for job discrimination over forced transfers : news
  • Supreme Court won’t hear InfoWars host’s First Amendment challenge to Jan. 6 conviction - POLITICO
  • Peter Navarro’s get-out-of-jail request is again rejected by the Supreme Court | CNN Politics
  • Supreme Court temporarily blocks new Texas immigration law
  • Supreme Court unanimously rules against government in No Fly List case : news
  • Supreme Court rejects appeal by former New Mexico county commissioner banned for Jan. 6 insurrection | AP News
  • Samuel Alito Is Mad You Can’t Be Bigoted Toward Gay People Anymore | The New Republic
  • Supreme Court turns down rent control challenge - Los Angeles Times
  • US Supreme Court won’t hear case challenging Washington capital gains tax - OPB
  • Supreme Court rejects appeal from Trump-allied lawyers over 2020 election lawsuit in Michigan | The Seattle Times
  • Supreme Court allows agents to cut razor wire on Texas-Mexico Border | AP News
  • Supreme Court rejects Alabama defiance in redistricting case : NPR
[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Scotus has always been conservative. Get out of here with this bullshit. You think a few liberal rulings sprinkled over the cake of conservatism means anything? History has already proven otherwise.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

It’s the duty of SCOTUS to interpret the Constitution into law. They already ruled against exactly this in 1980.

Stone v. Graham, case in which the U.S. Supreme Court on November 17, 1980, ruled (5–4) that a Kentucky statute requiring school officials to post a copy of the Ten Commandments (purchased with private contributions) on a wall in every public classroom violated the First Amendment’s establishment clause, which is commonly interpreted as a separation of church and state.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Stone-v-Graham

Let’s just hope our newly conservative SCOTUS doesn’t have a different opinion.

[–] alilbee@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

All they have to do is redefine "establishment". That's child's play for this court.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Or reverse the incorporation principle and say that Congress applies solely to the federal government.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 4 months ago

Or cite precedent from the Spanish inquisition.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

All of these people can go fuck themselves. They can put copies of "the" ten commandments up in their homes or their places of worship and we'll tolerate it. That's how tolerance works.

Those not in their little book club have zero fucks to give when it comes to their rules. Their rules are for them; they don't apply to others in a secular nation.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 months ago

This isn't even a version from their book club. it's pulled from a court case and not the Bible.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Christofascists

[–] Gingerlegs@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Fuck ALL of that

[–] Drusas@kbin.run 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Christian nationalism is not Christianity.

American media needs to start calling it like it is and pointing out how these groups are, in fact, anti-Christian. Not that that will ever happen. Just keep pretending they're legitimate and see where that gets us.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yet everyone who pushes for measures like this self-identifies as Christian, at least in public.

If Christianity's good name needs to be untarnished, then liberal Christians need to do more. Rather than expecting the media to delineate between the two.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Eh, I don't know how much playing the No True Scotsman really gets us, though.

I don't want any religion of any kind having any say over what we do in a secular context. All of them, no matter what they are called, can go fuck themselves the minute they think they get special privileges over others.

[–] Spitzspot@lemmings.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Drusas@kbin.run 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This is not the no true Scotsman fallacy. This is people claiming a name while behaving in a way opposite, or at least unrelated, to what that name represents.

It would be like if I were to vocally claim to be a socialist while actively promoting capitalism in my actions and fighting against socialist causes.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

These people would claim that they are the only TRUE xtians, and declare that other denominations are not "real" xtians (or just call them "pagan", lol, which is xtian-speak for "RINO").

[–] Spitzspot@lemmings.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

John 3:16 says absolutely nothing regarding behavior. If you claim that someone in their heart doesn't truly "believe" you are stepping into divine revelation which is solely reserved for god according to Christian doctrine.

[–] Drusas@kbin.run 2 points 4 months ago

How convenient for them.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They will force you to follow their version of Evangelical Christianity. There's no way around that. They want to enforce their fascist pedophile religion on all Americans. If you do not follow their religion they will make you or kill you. That will happen. That is their goal. Do not doubt this for a second. There will come a day if they succeed where they put people who do not believe what they believe up against the wall. Atheists up against the wall. Jews up against the wall. Buddhists up against the wall. Eventually even other Christians up against the wall.

Arm yourselves.

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 4 months ago

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, “Don’t do it!”

He said, “Nobody loves me.”

I said, “God loves you. Do you believe in God?”

He said, “Yes.”

I said, “Are you a Christian or a Jew?”

He said, “A Christian.”

I said, “Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?”

He said, “Protestant.”

I said, “Me, too! What franchise?”

He said, “Baptist.”

I said, “Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?”

He said, “Northern Baptist.”

I said, “Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?”

He said, “Northern Conservative Baptist.”

I said, “Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?”

He said, “Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region.”

I said, “Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912.”

He said, “Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912.”

I said, “Die, heretic!” And I pushed him over.

--Emo Phillips

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

Another great thing for the Right is that the GOP knows that these laws are going to get challenged in the courts.

So, the law is defended by taxpayers [whether they like it or not] while the Left has to raise money. Left folks have to divide their contributions between causes. Win-win for the Right.

[–] Paragone@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

"Christian", NOT Christ-ian!!

The Christian bible, itself gives this concept, but, since it was written a "Day as a Thousand Years" & a "Night as a Thousand Years" ago, it nails false-Jews, aka "Jews", using our new falsifying-quotes technology ( that John the gospeler didn't have, which "justified" all the Catholic murdering of Jews..

John was railing against not Jews, but false Jews, aka "Jews".

This is blatently-clear in that he repeatedly called his guru "rabbi", instead of using some non-Jewish title for him, in those places )

See right here, how substituting the word Christian for the word Jew, and then doing it again with every religion, puts things back in proper perspective: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%202%3A9&version=AMP


We have to use language correctly, & stop platforming gaslighting, through typography, or we are helping the bad-guys win through our spinelessness.

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