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[–] PZK@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I have found that liberals really, really, hate being exposed as equals to republicans.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"I just want my free healthcare and I don't care how many foreigners and poor people have to die for it."

[–] Sinister@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Because the divide is about aesthetics. They want to be seen as hip. They are cultural parasites who suck any radicalism out of any movement and turn it into twitter slogans.

[–] RandallFlagg@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (42 children)

I hope I don't get castrated for this by everyone here but I'm genuinely curious so I'm going to ask. For coxtext, I'm a dirty commie retard hippie dick suckin left wing lib (not a meme, I am literally a Liberal Democrat). Now that that's out of the way, I'd like to ask someone who disagrees with me why they think that supporting Ukraine is a bad move? The way I see it, the longer this war goes on, the weaker Russia gets. Sure it's costing the US (and other countries) a lot of money and resources but we are essentially weakining a not-so-friendly country of ours without having to send our own troops to fight it. Why is this a bad thing? Should I not care if Russia gets more powerful than it already is? Am I retarded?

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

1st. we would only castrate you if you wanted free SRS for gender affirming care

2nd. we are all liberals here (this is a joke, we're commies, anarchists, and socialists)

3rd. i support the civilians of donbas and the surrounding area, who were bombed after America couped the geopolitically neutral government of Ukraine in favor of an anti-Russia government. being geopolitically neutral was a very obviously good take for the whole country, now their economy is in shambles and the average person on both sides in donbas are having a terrible time. ukraine is unlikely to recover to or go beyond its pre-1991 economy at this rate.

for context, im a czech communist and believe slavic countries should at minimum have a freedom of movement agreement, though preferably i think we should be one country, we have so many tiny countries that are prone to being bullied, couped, and imperialized by foreign powers such as america. we all speak relatively similar languages, its very easy to learn enough of another slavic language to be able to have a shared vocabulary with anyone

[–] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Snark free answer:

We believe that the expansion of the American empire is one of the greatest threats facing the world today. The strength and reach of America far surpasses anything that Russia could ever hope to achieve. Russia is only a fraction of the political and economic power of America.

We don't like Russia. It is a neoliberal and reactionary state (like Ukraine). But we do not accept the idea that blood should be shed to weaken an "unfriendly" (read: designated target) state in service of maintaining American supremecy in the area via NATO.

Tldr; why is the US supporting Ukraine a bad move? Because it supports US global supremacy.

Snark:

Liberal Democrat

wtyp

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[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

How does Russia get weaker? Their trade with the rest of BRICS has been skyrocketing, their technology is actually getting developed for once, and the country is more unified than ever. All this war has done is decouple the Russian economy from the European one, which, sure, isn't ideal, but that's already happened.

Now? The EU is more dependent on the US, and Russia is more dependent on China/India rather than the EU. Globalization is backsliding, and that's dangerous because globalization is what kept the peace after the Cold War.

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[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The way I see it, the longer this war goes on, the weaker Russia gets.

We support the concept of multipolarity. We believe that that the US/NATO being the sole, dominant world hegemon is a bad thing. One big reason why we think that is because developing countries have suffered greatly under the neocolonialist policies of the World Bank and IMF, but they've been forced to accept whatever deal they're offered in order to have the market access needed to survive. In a multipolar world, these countries would have more options, and would have more ability to play major powers against each other.

We also oppose capitalism. Both the US and Russia are capitalist countries, so we oppose both of them, but we consider the US to be the higher priority, because it is more powerful. We do not believe that the interests advanced by the US government and bourgeoisie are consistent with the interests of the American people.

Sure it's costing the US (and other countries) a lot of money and resources but we are essentially weakining a not-so-friendly country of ours without having to send our own troops to fight it.

The lives of Americans are not worth more than the lives of Ukrainians, or Russians for that matter. We want a swift end to the war, because, uhh, we value human life. Ukraine has been completely unwilling to negotiate or consider any territorial concessions, but realistically that's likely to happen whether we keep throwing people into a meat grinder for the next 20 years or not.

[–] RandallFlagg@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

So, you believe that Ukraine should just give up and allow Russia to take whatever they want?

Also, forgive me because I think I'm misunderstanding the theme of this instance. Isn't this an instance for right-wing, conservative, Republican discussions, or is it something else?

[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

If you were a Ukrainian person Russia taking over your area would likely change things not at all. Likely it would improve your wages and working conditions. Should they be willing to get turned into soup to defend one their landlords houses? Obviously not. There in no honor in victory for them there.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah. Ukraine should give up and respect the autonomy of the Russian speaking Ukrainians who don't want to be wiped out by Galacian Nazis.

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[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Liberals really like making people they dont like leave the place they live

[–] Mrderisant@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

But the top one is a conservative...

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