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[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 73 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Should. Where's the riots over the king makers?

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 64 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Should have rioted when they illegally decided the election in 2000.

[–] Krono 28 points 5 months ago (2 children)

A riot did decide the 2000 election, unfortunately it was the fascists who were rioting.

Brooks Brothers Riot

[–] grue@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

In other words, that was the previous coup.

[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Another example of rioting accomplishing what voting couldn't.

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 43 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

SCOTUS was never legitimate; they gave themselves the power of judicial review in Marbury v. Madison.

The executive branch can declare that the court is illegitimate at any time, since it is up to the executive branch to enforce the law.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If the supreme court can't subject laws to constitutional scrutiny, and there is no longer separation of powers, I think that's basically the end of the US Republic.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Yep! Welcome to the show, try the fish before it's gone and don't think too hard about what comes next, we'll be in it soon enough anyway.

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Hit 'em with the ol' "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"

[–] sxan@midwest.social 39 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No. Fucking. Shit.

The complete collapse of one of the three real legs of the US government. The president was not intended to be more than a figurehead, because the founding fathers thought the populous would lose their shit if they didn't have "king." What a terrible decision. The real triad were supposed to be the House, Senate, and Judiciary. Nobody's surprised when there president goes off the rails, but losing the judiciary to radicals? That's fucked. We're fucked.

Yeah, I know my interpretation of what the founding fathers really intended doesn't have much to back it up. Still, the Supreme Court now going against all previous courts and outright ignoring precident is really, really fucked up.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago (1 children)

But in 2000, the court enjoyed more robust legitimacy among the public than it does today. As a consequence, Florida officials ceased recounting disputed ballots. Vice President Al Gore conceded the election to Texas Gov. George W. Bush, specifically accepting the Supreme Court’s pivotal ruling.

No Democratic senator challenged the validity of Florida’s disputed Electoral College votes for Bush. Congress certified the Electoral College’s vote, and Bush was inaugurated.

Al Gore is the perfect example of why we can't ig ore the importance of charisma in a candidate.

Dude would have been a great president, and having him at the helm instead of Bush would have drastically change global politics to this very day.

But he was a wet blanket, didn't have the balls to challenge it, and too progressive for the DNC to defend.

People keep ignoring that presidential elections are basically just statewide popularity contests. At the end of the day nothing matters but the voters opinions.

[–] Assman@sh.itjust.works 25 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Americans talk shit about the French but they would have had the gallows out by now

[–] frezik@midwest.social 26 points 5 months ago

I don't know if France is the example to go by right now.

[–] Kiosade@lemmy.ca 23 points 5 months ago

You mean France, as in the country that is spiraling quickly into Fascism? That France?

[–] Maultasche@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Really. How could you whiff on that OP?

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I cannot legally endorse this statement.

[–] STUPIDVIPGUY@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Burning down the system and starting over seems like the best option to me. America has been fundamentally flawed since its inception.