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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by Stamets@lemmy.world to c/tenforward@lemmy.world
 

I said a while back that I was gonna change my name due to my obscene displeasure with the final season but... nah. I'm Stamets. I love my lil gay boy and I love his lil gay family and I love the ship with the weirdly long nacelles.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Discovery may be canon, but I don't believe that the writers care all that much. They've certainly not made any effort to make it integrate with the rest of Trek.

Lower Decks on the other hand positively revels and the fact that it's canon.

I certainly know which is the more enjoyable of the shows as a result.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago

They’ve certainly not made any effort to make it integrate with the rest of Trek.

wut

It takes place between ENT and TOS and then in the far future. In every case they've done everything they can to have it fit with the timeline. They brought back Pike and Number One, actually giving her a name after 50 odd years. Then in the future they elaborate on the Romulan/Vulcan relationship and Spocks impact on the Unification he was seeking for in previous Treks. They honor every single actor and character they can by naming ships after passed actors or after characters. They build on to that lore. So yes. They do make an enormous effort to integrate it with the rest of Trek.

You can not like it, that's fine, but saying that they've not made any effort is an outright lie.

[–] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It may be canon, doesn't make it good though. What an awful series.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)
[–] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 6 days ago

Don't worry, got plenty of good Trek to (re)watch.

I have a feeling you're going to get a lot of use out of this template.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Coming back to this 2 days later and its still funny as fuck. I need to finish Disco.

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 84 points 1 week ago (24 children)
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[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 72 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (19 children)

Stamets is great. I love him.

I love a LOT of the characters on discovery, but I just found the story arcs it ended up telling very... Overblown.

Did the disco really have to save the literal galaxy every season? And skip across time so it could be placed into a pivotal role in every era?

Not a single time, not once, did the disco feel like just another ship in the fleet. It was always THE ship.

Season one is still the best IMO, with the disco being a secret research program hijacked by Lorca for his own purposes. The story felt right. But then the ship and crew just kept being extraordinary not just every season, but in every tiny moment.

I really love all the worldbuilding in Trek, but in disco that always played second fiddle to whatever crisis was going on, which the disco would then inevitably resolve. It was yawn-inducing to me.

Even as I adored lots of the small stuff the series did with the style, characters, and world.

Like Stamets!

[–] III@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

To be fair, if I gave you a fleet of starships and one of them could just appear anywhere at any time, it would be THE ship.

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[–] elephantium@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (30 children)

Ah, canon, or the word we use to describe which made-up story is more real than the other made-up stories!

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[–] FlatFootFox@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Modern Star Trek has its ups and downs. I’m just glad there’s so much of it. Discovery can have a weird National Treasure season, and Picard can have a bumpy Covid year, but there’s probably something interesting going on in Lower Decks or Strange New Worlds. (Or vice versa.)

I’m just happy characters like Stamets weren’t a one off experiment. It’s delightful to see queer folk continue to pop up in the main cast of other shows.

[–] match@pawb.social 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This analogy doesn't work because Lower Decks never misses, making it the only star trek with no bad seasons

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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have two opinions that have not changed since 2016:

First, Discovery, as Star Trek and as science fiction in general, is terrible. Great ideas destroyed by some of the worst writing and direction in the industry.

I will not be taking any questions.

And second, in spite of that, Paul Stamets as a character is one of my favorite in Star Trek. (After the shrooms mellowed him out, of course.)

I'm glad you're sticking with your nick, it suits you and it's a good one to have.

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[–] unlawfulbooger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hell yeah dude!

All the characters in disco are amazing, it’s the main plot that gets ridiculous sometimes.

Don’t let bad writing ruin a great cast!

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Doesn’t hurt as much as LD confirming that Threshold wasn’t just Tom Paris’ fever dream.

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hurts fans and disrespects canon. There's a reason why it abbreviates so nicely to STD.

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