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[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 103 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Former congressman Harold Ford, former chair of the Democratic Leadership Council and banking executive, made a similar point on Fox. “I was an elite that supported you in 2020,” Ford said. “And said that we should do everything we possibly could do to advantage you against Bernie Sanders, because I thought Bernie Sanders’ politics were detrimental to the party and to the country.”

Oh my gosh, universal, tax-paid healthcare, higher education, and increased worker protections. So detrimental. Things most of Europe and even our neighbor to the North handles just fine.

And y'all think these people are still on the left in any way, shape, or form?

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 64 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’ve said this over and over again, (...) Joe Biden was not picked in 2020 because he was the only person that could beat Trump. He was picked because he was the only person that could beat Bernie Sanders, rightly or wrongly. … That conclusion was made, okay? “Oh my gosh, coming out of Nevada, Bernie Sanders is going to be the nominee!” And people, just like they are now, said, “Ahhh, I don’t think that’s going to work,” so they were looking for an alternative.
- Adam Smith

I was an elite that supported (Biden) in 2020, (...) And said that we should do everything we possibly could do to advantage (Biden) against Bernie Sanders, because I thought Bernie Sanders’ politics were detrimental to the party and to the country.
- Harold Ford

This seems to be the gist of the article.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

And the party.

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 62 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Former congressman Harold Ford, former chair of the Democratic Leadership Council and banking executive, made a similar point on Fox. “I was an elite that supported you in 2020,” Ford said. “And said that we should do everything we possibly could do to advantage you against Bernie Sanders, because I thought Bernie Sanders’ politics were detrimental to the party and to the country.”

From Harold Ford's Wiki

In April 2021, Ford joined Fox News as a political contributor.[7] He frequently appears on Special Report as a panel member and was named a co-host of The Five in January 2022.

Hey great going democratic party leadership, you've always looked like incompetent morons, now you look like corrupt incompetent morons!

SHOULD HAVE BEEN BERNIE. YOU STOLE OUR FUTURE TO PRESERVE YOUR PRESENT PROFITS.

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[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 37 points 2 months ago (4 children)

With Democrats like that who needs Republicans?

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[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Of course the corporate democratic side of the house wouldn't want Bernie. He was a threat to the status quo and they couldn't have that. Shifting money back to the middle class from the ultra rich? But it's the ultra rich that keep bank rolling them. How could they possibly go against that? Instead they discredited an honest, good guy who actually espouses the values out of their good book.

I just wish they could get on message and get in lock step about a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. It's the only reason the right is successful at this point. Yep, their policies are garbage, but look at them rally around their trash fire and start dancing to the drums.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Yeah, how is this a shock to people? If they can't have their own neoliberals in office, they would absolutely prefer to lose to another neoliberal than win with a progressive.

America desperately needs preferential voting.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (27 children)

Good going. Let's argue and divide the Democrats when it needs unity the most.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"Oh man this is very inconvenient to the echo chamber. Please move on everyone nothing to see here"

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

If you don't want evidence of fuckery coming out, it's pretty easy not to engage in fuckery in the first place.

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[–] Burninator05@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Its not unexpexted and doesn't matter. I'm stil voting and it will be for whoever is running against Trump.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Because like most other politicians many of the "democrats" are slaves to their billionaire masters too

[–] Beaver@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The corporate democrats pulling off the masks once again. Now that Joe Biden is pro labour they want to throw him under the bus as well.

[–] audiomodder@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not sure his interactions with the rail unions support him being “pro labor”

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not sure any of the Biden stans actually care whether he's actually progressive, they just like the aesthetic of framing the anti-Biden sentiment as "the elites". Because calling Biden not only progressive, but so progressive the system is rebelling against him, is laughable.

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[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Biden claiming to be pro labor makes his as pro labor as trump saying he's pro Christian.

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[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

This is the democracy we are told that needs to be saved by Re-Electing Biden.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Every gambler knows 
That the secret to surviving 
Is knowing what to throw away 
Knowing what to keep 
'Cause every hand's a winner 
And every hand's a loser 
And the best that you can hope for 
Is to die in your sleep

-Kenny Rogers

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[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This was never in doubt, it was said from the beginning. The fear is that someone who refers to themselves as a socialist cannot win in the rust belt swing states. Pro-labor positions in general don't do well in the midwest, it's a central area in the fight to dismantle unions.

Not that Hilary won them either though.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Bernie drew in crowds in the reddest of states. And without the DNC dog piling on Biden he was likely to win.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The fear is that someone who refers to themselves as a socialist cannot win in the rust belt swing states.

Democrats' fear is that they can.

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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Left: It sure is a huge problem that there’s such a bipartisan effort in Washington to be corporate trash

Lemmy: YEAH FUCK THE DEMOCRATS

Left: I think we should get involved, maybe we could do campaign finance reform or get rid of FPTP or strengthen the progressive wing of the Democrats, or idk, fuckin something, this is horrible

Lemmy: LET’S LET THE FASCIST WIN

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Everything in all caps is what centrists see when they encounter anything not in all caps.

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[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We didn't need them to admit it, and Bernie endorsed Biden just the other day. It wouldn't surprise me if Biden were being pushed out the exact same way for being "too progressive." The fact that the left wing of the DNC has been supporting him suggests this is the case.

[–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's odd because the only reason there's leverage to remove Biden is because the party thought he wasn't progressive enough in terms of Gaza.

Removing him because of his terrible debate is only politically feasible for Democrats because he has been losing in head-to-head polls since almost exactly October 7th.

I think AOC and Sanders are probably thinking of something else. My hunch, is they assume Republicans will challenge the existence of any Democrat on the ballot not named Joe Biden for some sort of rules violation, the decision will go to the Supreme Court, and the court will decide on returning 45 to the White House.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think they just know that they're not the voices that could ever convince Joe Biden's ego to stand down, and if he holds on they'd be the ones to suffer most for rebellion.

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