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Really? Besides Muhammad, name 1 other well known person who showing a benign picture of him causes a real risk of getting killed by his fans?
Noooooo you forgot the (PBUH) when you mentioned Muhammad (PBUH), now I will have to kill you :( look what you made me do
Don't worry, i was actually taking about Muhammad Ali
You shall be spared this time Mashallah
I'm really confused about the "No one can have my picture but almost every single one of my male believers is going to carry my name" situation.
Religions are kind of weird, aren't they?
Always has been. Religion is the single biggest reason to not believe in religion.
the picture thing is to avoid idolatry, which was the main type of religion in the region at the time Islam was beginning. people were used to worship to (or via) visual depictions of gods, so a ban on visual representations of people was an effort to avoid people falling into old habits.
that's why currently an overwhelming majority of Muslims don't care about depictions of people in general, but they still don't allow the prophet or god to be depicted (god isn't supposed to have any physical form anyway) because that would be too close to idolatry.
kind of the opposite approach of christians with pagans, where christians appropriated pagan symbols to make Christianity more appealing, media were concerned with differentiating themselves from other religions.
uttering names isn't taboo in Islam like it is in Christianity. while some Christians avoid saying God, Jesus or the like, Muslims are encouraged to use god's name frequently. however they're not allowed to call people certain names reserved for god alone, but that isn't the case for the prophet. so it's considered sort of a tribute or a sign of respect to name people after the prophet.
interesting fact, Muhammed isn't the prophet's only name, so while this is the most common name in the world, the number of people named after the prophet is even higher, because it includes some other names, most common after Muhammed being Ahmed.
I remember when the South Park drama happened, and Matt and Trey were both like “you guys realize he’s been in every single episode for months now, right? He’s in the intro. It’s only an issue now because we had him as a focus of the episode.”
There once was a post on the Onion about a caricature of Christian, Judaist, Hindu and Buddhist gods having an orgy and no believers wishing death upon the author, but sighing and closing the tab instead.
There was one with mohammed included too in a french satirical paper, but it was sometimes in the -70 or -80. Much cooler times.
...didn't that French newspaper then much later end up getting shot up?
Pls don't kill me for posting this. A holy warrior already smote the guy that drew it 🙏
My question is, if it is supposedly abominable to show a picture of Mohamed, thus there are no extant pictures of him, how does the claim that any particular doodle of a guy in a turban with a beard actually is a depiction of Mohamed stand up to logical scrutiny? (That was a rhetorical question. I know my error was actually in including the word "logic.")
You can't prove it's actually him. This could just be the Continuing Adventures of Captain Bomb Hat, an individual completely unrelated.
You'll KNOW it's a drawing of Muhammad because the artist will be killed by a Muslim.
That's why it's very silly. You can literally go around with a label maker and put "This is officially a depiction of the Prophet Muhammad" on any random thing.
This one?
No this is a common misconception. That's Brian, and he is a very naughty boy
For a moment I thought this was a character from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure lol
Well, because Exodus 20:4-6, the Second Commandment, says:
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Belief It or Not just did an episode about it, too.
What's interesting is both how lax Christians and Jews are about it, and how severe the wording actually is. By some interpretation, any visual depiction of nearly anything is an idol. Certainly a big statue of Jesus or a fresco of God should both qualify, and yet...
There was a whole schism in the Byzantine Empire during the late 700s over whether religious iconography constituted graven images. This enveloped all the Abrahamic Religions and periodically reasserted itself for nearly a millennium, both in the academic sphere and in riots lead by hot-headed zealots of various sects.
Muslims simply ended up on the iconoclast side of the fence once the dust settled. If you study art history of the region, you get some truly incredibly geometric patterns emerging throughout the Muslim world, well into the 20th century, because of this stricture against iconography. There's some speculations iconoclasm inspired efforts to produce these shapes and patterns, resulting in a heavy religious patronage of Islamic mathematics in much the same way the Renaissance Era in Europe contributed to the modernization of art and sculpture.
But the idea that Islam is somehow unique in the views on artistic reproduction of the human form is really more an artifact of history than of the religion itself. Absent certain twists of fate, we'd be angrily denouncing Muslims for making big bronze statues of their religious figures, which 600 years of Protestant iconoclasty informs us is only something a bunch of evil religious psychos would ever do.
Punish third and fourth generations for the sins of their ancestors. Sure whatever.
Showing love to a thousand who love and keep commandments. Sure fine.
But what happens if my grandparents loved and kept commandments, but my parents didn’t? Does the punishment supersede the love? Or do me and my kids get fucked, but my grandkids are back in the good graces?
Just sayin.
Twelve people were gunned down for publishing a cartoon of Muhammad.
A teacher was beheaded for showing a drawing of Muhammad.
Cartoonist drew Muhammad, leading to Danish embassies being attacked and riots broke out and people died. Later, people broke into his house to try to kill him.
Cartoonist had to live under police protection because of threats.
Creators of South Park were threatened for including Muhammad in an episode of the show.
Salman Rushdie was stabbed on stage
A teacher forced into hiding for showing a picture of Muhammad
I don't care if you want to claim all religions are equally capable of violence.
There is only one religion I'm deathly afraid of pissing off if I choose to criticize them publicly.
I need explainxkcd.com, but for memes.
There have been several violent incidents in reaction to published depictions of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, which is strictly forbidden by some interpretations of the Sahih al-Bukhari, one of the major Sunni Islamic texts.
I'm assuming that's what's being alluded to here.
But like, that's stupid they don't expect us to eat halal why do they expect us not to depict their prophet?
It's not every muslim. Only the bigoted/loudest ones. Just like not every christian intimidates you to accept Jesus as your savior.
Basically they managed to convince a lot of people that drawing Mohammad is hate speech, while obviously such depictions do exist (especially those that also conflate having an Arabic decent with Islamism), it's just certain fundamentalists won the free marketplace of ideas through bullying and terrorism.
Despite all the legitimate critiques, it was a mistake to succumb, now Christian fundamentalists are trying the same, see the overreaction to the Olympics.
Je suis Charlie.
KnowYourMeme.com is the closest i could think of. Maybe combined with urbandictionary.com
There was a time in Europe where it was illegal to draw something to realistic thanks to the church.
There was also a time when it was believed that Jesus, being perfect, was incapable of change. It’s why so many old paintings of Jesus look like middle aged babies; They believed that Jesus was born with an adult’s body, just baby-sized. Cuz if he was perfect, there would be no room for change. So lots of old paintings of Jesus have him looking like a tiny middle aged man.
I love that he has a receding hairline there. Also that’s a bit old of a look for a man who died at like 30
Yeah this always struck my as bonkers. I personally like how South Park did it - with a full-body censor car. Even then the religious fanatics got salty about it.