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[–] Binzy_Boi@piefed.social 100 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Gotta say, as someone who identifies as a progressive, she's really been beating my expectations compared to what she was saying and doing back in the 2020 primaries.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 56 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

She needs to get tougher on Israel, otherwise everything I see is good.

[–] rusticus@lemm.ee 64 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

Trump just called Netanyahu and told him to turn down the cease fire. All your complaints about Harris should be gone and Trump should be in prison for being a traitor promoting more death for political gain.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago

Ah, just casually violating the Logan Act. And nothing will happen.

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[–] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago

I'm hoping she's mostly just playing soft on Israel for now is to avoid more criticism of being antisemitic. When Israel started their attempted genocide, most of the Biden administration was silent on it, and we didn't hear or see anything from Harris, when she did eventually have a public appearance about a month later, she was pretty much the first person in the administration to say anything remotely pro-peace.

I'm probably just huffing copium but I hope she's just taking AIPAC's money (not sure if they are giving her any, but better in her hands than theirs) and getting through the election, and then going to go full prosecutor on Israel/Netanyahu.

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[–] protist@mander.xyz 37 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The fact that she didn't have to face a primary this year is a political gift. She didn't have to go.on record while jockeying to differentiate herself and the instant unanimous support from the entire Democratic party means she can just be herself

[–] jorp@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

In the 2020 primaries the race was between the moderates and Bernie, why wouldn't she have felt comfortable being more progressive when Bernie was doing so well?

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 17 points 3 weeks ago

She started out the 2020 primaries pretty progressive, but would usually roll-back her positions a day later, presumably after some adviser told her it wouldn't play in Peoria or would anger a megadonor. Maybe that's where her heart actually lies and her trainwreck of a campaign made her realize those advisors were bad people to listen to.

[–] skittle07crusher@sh.itjust.works 45 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

If Zucman is a fan, this is great news indeed. A 25% minimum tax on billionaire wealth sounds great, and with broad support, as the article notes (even 51% of Republicans).

Much better news, too, for those of us who only saw this part reported on til now:

The campaign spokesperson called the move—which would still leave the corporate tax rate lower than it was when Trump first took office in 2017—a "fiscally responsible way to put money back in the pockets of working people and ensure billionaires and big corporations pay their fair share." (emphasis mine)

IIRC, the corporate tax rate was slashed by Trump from 30-something percent, maybe 35%, to something like 18%, so to see that Harris was not interested in reversing this Trump tax cut fully (only to 25%) felt til now like yet another depressing instance of the ratchet effect, where the right does what they do, and neoliberals only undo part of it when they are in power.

[–] SirDerpy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I'm just a millionaire. I'm worth diddly squat "on paper" because I intend to stay a millionaire. This isn't a difficult fiscal apparatus to create. Billionaires have much more effective methods at their disposal.

It doesn't matter what the tax rates are so long as the loopholes remain wide open and there's very little enforcement.

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[–] SkavarSharraddas@gehirneimer.de 40 points 3 weeks ago

Tax them out of existence.

[–] TheDeepState@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

Tax those mother fuckers.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Should be over 50% to start. Simply to ~~aline~~ align with current tax brackets.

fuck it. give them a certificate that says "you won capitalism" and tax everything over $1bn at 100%

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

align*
Aline is my ex. lol

Not a common misspelling but the irony is pretty funny.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I mean......is she single?

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[–] rusticus@lemm.ee 27 points 3 weeks ago

In the 1950s the top marginal tax rate for couples filing jointly making over $400,000/year was 91%. Adjusting for inflation, that’s $5,200,000. Just to put our current tax structure in context.

[–] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

In 1945 the top tax rate in the USA was 94%. This should be a goal.

[–] ECB@feddit.org 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

But please based on wealth rather than income.

Rich people don't become rich from income.

[–] jorp@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I support a wealth tax as well, but even taxing income aggressively is a good start especially if it includes higher capital gains taxes.

I'm not super familiar with US tax law, but in Canada benefits like stock are taxed as income when granted. This would still be great.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

In 1945, we operated under what was functionally a command economy at the tail end of a globe-spanning total war.

I mean, we can debate the efficacy of that economic model (re: The People's Republic of Walmart), but I'd rather the US be funding and fighting fewer wars, not more of them. FFS, if you give any number of shits about climate change, a global mobilization of killing machines is not going to point us in the right direction.

[–] jorp@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The threat and urgency of climate change is all the more reason to take that money and apply it to those problems. Not only does that help tackle the issue directly, it takes resources away from the biggest contributors to the problem. You have asshole rich fucks commuting to the office by private jet.

Why do you assume the taxes have to go hand in hand with investing in war?

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[–] praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Believe it or not, Taxation is a field of study on its own, with countless people spending their whole life studying it. I wonder how this is going to actually work out legally.

[–] Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The supreme court will call it unlawful theft of profits and strike it down. What else could possibly happen in a federalist controlled legal system?

We really need to stop calling the republican party republican. It's not at all what it once was. It's the Federalist Society party.

[–] would_be_appreciated@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Correct if I'm wrong here, but is this article just "Economist comments on something it has been claimed the Harris campaign team said, but is not explicitly mentioned anywhere in writing or in speeches"?

If she planned on taxing billionaires, she'd be shouting it from the rooftops. That's a popular policy. It's not going to be something she keeps in her back pocket and then when she's president goes SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKERS. Not that she could do it by EO anyway, but honestly, this is so far from a reality it just barely qualifies as news.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If she planned on taxing billionaires, she’d be shouting it from the rooftops. That’s a popular policy.

Not among corporate mega-donors, it isn't! Keeping it in her back pocket -- not until she's president, but until shortly before the election and, crucially, after their checks clear -- is exactly what she should do.

[–] would_be_appreciated@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nobody would be happier than me to see that happen, but seeing how nobody's ever done something like that before I have my doubts. Can't remember the last Democrat that actually got more radical than the platform they ran on. Certainly wasn't anybody in the last 50 years.

[–] Phoenix3875@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The article cited the 2025 budget [PDF]. It's under the section "Proposes a Minimum Tax on Billionaires".

To finally address this glaring inequity, the Budget includes a 25 percent minimum tax on the wealthiest 0.01 percent, those with wealth of more than $100 million.

Though the Harris campaign is not directly mentioned, I think we may assume it's coming from both Harris and Biden.

[–] would_be_appreciated@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

This is actually really helpful clarification, I did just miss some of that. It's no wealth tax, but it's better than nothing.

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[–] faethon@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Sounds like a solid plan! I would be surprised if the public opinion here would be any different. There are no billionaires on Lemmy.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Not now, no, but I need to make sure they have a favorable tax regime for when my scratch-offs inevitably raise me to my appropriate station.

[–] Phenomephrene@thebrainbin.org 8 points 3 weeks ago

Pro tip: Have other people do the scratching.

The only way to become a billionaire is to exploit the labor of others.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 8 points 3 weeks ago

No, but there are still plenty of billionaire meat-riders here.

[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

First stop Joe Rogan. Not a billionaire, but he is an ignorant little bitch.

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