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Trump didn’t want, much less imagine, a debate with Harris. Not so subconsciously he still thinks he’s facing Joe Biden

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 189 points 2 months ago (9 children)

What will happen: Harris will put in a fine performance, coolly parrying his attacks and laying out a coherent vision for her presidential term. The press will latch onto one thing—perhaps some ambiguity around tax policy or her correcting herself after starting to say the wrong word —and blow it up into existential doubts about the very basis of her campaign. Meanwhile, Trump will ramble semicoherently, spouting disjointed assertions about protecting the border or the children or whatever, segueing into stories about golfing with famous people or immigrants abducting and transing American children, calls for mass executions of bad guys and word salad with no discernible meaning. The media will helpfully gloss over that, pointing out that he “forcefully advocated American interests” and is “in tune with public concerns about security/the economy”. They’ll award it to him, judging that he had regained the initiative and Harris is now on the run, and the 99.9% of the public who didn’t watch the debate themselves will believe that.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 43 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I really don't understand why Harris doesn't just do Town Hall after Town Hall everywhere. Even Sanders did a Fox News town hall (though in this case I doubt fox would offer).

Town Hall events seem perfect to get Trump out of the way, and have Americans get to know you. Do like 3 in PA.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because people generally don't care about policy. And those of us who do can just listen to reputable reporters.

As far as the public is concerned, trump scared Biden off in that last debate. Kamala needs this to show she is "stronger" as it were.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm cool with a debate to showcase the contrast and prove Harris can hold her own. But the nature of these faux debates always seem to give the advantage to the bully. So with that said, it's not necessarily about policy but vibes. Obama did tons of town halls for this reason. Many voters including in the most recent NYT Siena poll just don't know enough about her yet. A town hall gives that chance that is less scripted than a rally and more personable than a debate.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 months ago

Of course trump has the advantage. He will scream the n-word at the top of his lungs and will just mute Kamala to protect him. That is a given

But Kamala still needs to get up there and show she can "hold her own". Because that gets rid of the inevitable "Are you afraid to debate me? Biden tried once and then he had to run home and cry about his dead son instead" attacks.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

They've been waiting for this debate to do a huge PR blitz. Trump is exhausting his campaign by doing non-stop bullshit events, and she needs to really get it out there that he is deranged, and possibly embarrass him on national TV, then just hammer that home until election day.

Once this one is out of the way, expect them to have a bunch of new events out there (especially Walz).

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 months ago

...semicoherently

My...aren't we the optimist...

[–] Wytch@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 months ago

Two completely different standards applied simultaneously, amplified by media's fawning obsession over this narcissistic shitbag and Harris' status as a WoC

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 13 points 2 months ago

Fucking Nostradamus over here.

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

This is why I sit through these things, despite them being of relatively little benefit to me, as I follow politics regularly, so I'm not surprised who these people are. I trust the press in general, but they summarize these things so poorly.

The first Biden debate, he seemed sick from the start, and I think he did ok for being an ill elderly guy, and Trump just spewed BS. I'd give more credit to the guy that toughed it out while sick to do his job than some hyper guy rambling on like a crazy person. The makeup speech where he was supposed to bring the energy stank though, and that's when I began to lose hope in him winning, even though I think he's exceeded my expectations I had for him.

I don't like the pull to the right I feel Kamala's taking, but she's still miles ahead of her competition, but I want to hear her stances through her own words, not a crappy summary from the news.

There's no chance in hell anything in this debate will change my choice, but I think this election is a pivotal place in our history as a country, and I don't want to ignore it for a Reddit quality summary tomorrow if I can watch it live.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 6 points 2 months ago

I think you're right. Also, everyone is expecting Kamala to demolish Trump in the debate for whatever reason, so her putting in a solid, competent performance will be seen as a failure by everyone and feed into the narrative.

[–] blackbarn@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

Sanewashing indeed

[–] telllos@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

I think they will attack her because she is a woman.

[–] Curious_Canid@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 months ago

He is perfect...in the sense that he is not capable of getting any better than he is right now.

[–] dugmeup@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hmmm. He will. Don't let him set low expectations. That is how he wins every time.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 54 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, he fails every time but his base pretends he wins and the news has such low expectations and a need to sell advertising for profit so they go along with it.

[–] criitz@reddthat.com 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ignoring reality doesn't change it. The win is in the pre-existing delusion in the voters, not anything trump ever accomplished

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ignoring reality doesn't change it

It doesn't directly change REAL reality, but it sure as hell changes the political reality.

At which point the tail wags the dog and the lie becomes reality because the billionaire-owned media says so.

That's how Trump and his fascist sycophants ever got within cheating distance of high public office.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago
[–] rickdg@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

He can do whatever, it's Harris that will be subjet to criticism.

[–] p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Surprise! This was a horrible mistake dipshit! You got castrated and clowned over and over AND OVER AND OVER

[–] SacralPlexus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

And given Trump’s proclivity for…. Not the truth, one can only assume this performance was after massive preparation.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

He is the Maga Jesus Christ so I am sure he is to them.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago