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Hey guys, it was brought up in a report that NSFW tags should be applied to posts depicting drug use. What do you guys think? I could see it either way and thought you guys might like to weigh in on it. I personally don't find it particularly offensive but my work environments have never been the type to react strongly to something like this popping up on screen (I think they might be more upset about being on Lemmy at all). Currently there is no rule, and I am fine with that, unless feedback indicates the community would rather play it safe and require the NSFW flag.

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[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 58 points 1 month ago (7 children)

NSFW has typically been used for things that are visually disturbing, like gore and sexually explicit materials. Using it for ideas that aren't safe for work feels like it would devalue the tag.

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (6 children)

What about a person injecting themselves? I don't think anyone is necessarily complaining about smoking, but personally I don't exactly want to be seeing pictures of people injecting themselves or others, others especially, without any potential warning.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago

You’re not going to get fired for looking, at work, at a picture of a person injecting themselves.

That is the basis of the NSFW tag

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (13 children)
[–] Oisteink@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (11 children)
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[–] Live_your_lives@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I think you are on the right train of thought for this. A real person injecting themselves probably should be considered a NSFW image but a cartoon/meme character shouldn't be.

Ideally we would have NSFW, NSFL, and something like NSFG (Not Safe For Grandma) tags.

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah I don't think people have much of a problem with a cartoon or a meme, as long as it isnt a real photo of a real person (or AI generated/whatever, looks real).

Not sure about NSFG tag though, I think that umbrella is too large. Also, depends on the grandma.

[–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That possibly counts as gore, regardless of whether the drugs are recreational or medicinal. However, there will be exceptions.

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[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd count that as visually disturbing, in the same way an injury could be. I'd certainly wince at the sight of a needle being poked into someone.

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[–] aaaa@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The tag is for warning people browsing at work not to click... Using it to prevent someone from clicking on a post that would be unacceptable to read at the workplace is exactly what it's for

It's not like it's censorship, it's just a warning tag.

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[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Would it be safe to look at, at work?

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I wanna know what jobs y'all have that simply being on Lemmy itself isn't NSFW.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

I'm thinking what about during your break etc, not just when you're on the clock.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Grown up jobs.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Computer stuff, WFH!

Quick edit; when I’m in the office it’s totally okay to play on my phone as much as I want as long as I get my computing done!

My rule of tumb: if someone is walking by would they stop and backtrack and go "WTF are you looking at at work?!" if no then it's not NSFW. If it's just text it's not NSFW. ASCII art not withstanding.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 13 points 1 month ago

The internet is NSFW. Tags can't fix stupid.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Text is never going to need the tag. To the contrary, if you're at work reading text posts, and it's tagged NSFW, it draws the eye more.

Tagging text posts would defeat the entire purpose of the tag in its useful purpose.

Drug use isn't NSFW anyway, not in images or text.

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[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 11 points 1 month ago

No, depictions of drug use aren't nsfw. And if we start censoring it, why not also start censoring other relatively harmless concepts like depictions of weapons or cursewords? We don't want this, and trying to enforce it would add additional, unnecessary work to both you and the admins.

[–] Tenthrow@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I appreciate the many voices here. It seems like consensus is that the tag is not needed as a general rule. I want to be clear, also, that the NSFW tag is not censorship, but also doesn't seem necessary either. Thank you guys for chiming in!

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think that would be a bit much.

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[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago

If you can't show the list to your boss then it should be marked nsfw

[–] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I suspect that this may be partially a result of a recent post of mine that some may considered to be in bad taste. So this response is likely to be a bit biased.

For what it is worth, I considered tagging mine as NSFW but ultimately decided it was not necessary. I thought the image was very clearly a staged representation of drug use. Similar to how the Eric Andre meme is clearly a staged representation of murder. Further, there was no blood nor any indication of physical injury and I liked it to an image of somebody smoking pot or drinking to excess.

Do I think drug use alone require a NSFW tag? No.

Should drug coupled with blood, gore, physical injury, exploitation, etc? Possibly.

[–] HN82@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When in doubt, use NSFW. I don't feel good when people make memes about crack or users because it directly affects me. I stopped following a community because of that. Thanks for asking anyway.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

I think this applies to a lot of things including memes that have any kind of adult theme like sex and violence

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

are we talking a joint? if so then it should apply to alcohol and cigarrettes. I can understand for injections. some folks are neddlephobes.

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[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well mate this tag is more useful to me around kids than in the office. Perhaps because I'm 100% wfh.

Anyways, I appreciate it also with gore images like certain Ukraine and Gaza pictures. So it's not just about work for me and others.

Now if we had a mandatory tag like this for politics I'd do the big brains meme and be soooo happy.

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[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe we need a new tag:
ANFW absolutely necessary for work

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

But seriously tho, yeah, NSFW in the absence of another more specific tag.

Some people are recovering from addiction and stuff, good to give them a way to filter it out

[–] Xyre@lemmus.org 3 points 1 month ago

I think for issues like this it may be good to develop a practice of using the spoiler tag with a warning attached. This way it's up to the reader to decide if they want to read it and is flexible enough to cover all of the various use cases.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If it’s particularly gory maybe?? I don’t think so in general.

Isn’t NSFW for gore/erotica.

[–] Tenthrow@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

It definitely is for those things, but in general it's meant to encompass things that would cause problems if a coworker or manager looked over your shoulder. Graphic depictions of illegal drug use is borderline which is why I wanted to ask the community how they felt about it.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (5 children)

If you do drugs I would say that alcohol must be too, why one and not the other?

[–] Oisteink@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Just censor everything- it’s the internet after all and someone will be offended

[–] aaaa@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

An NSFW tag isn't censorship, it's a warning for people at WORK. if you don't use it for what it's for, that's not working people problems, that's your fault.

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[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You probably shouldn't doom scroll at work anyway.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This. I don't know why people have such a hard time with the idea of sticking to curated spaces when they are at work or in public.

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[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I think it would be safer to have an NSFW tag, especially considering the different ways people use drugs and the various effects of it.

[–] gotrandom@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

While I personally have no issue with it being not censored, I could see it being difficult for people struggling with any sort of addiction or dependency issues. I understand not all of them are addicting chemically, but some get hooked mentally as well.

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