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[–] pooberbee@lemmy.ml 52 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Hey, how was Mecca?" "Meh the hajj was kinda blah this year. It was a blah hajj."

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Blå = blue

Haj = shark

It would be more like bloh high- elongate the O sound and drop the w nerd

I had mandatory Swedish lessons in school and I have to get use out of them somehow

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

Rail = rail

[–] RION@hexbear.net 39 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Imma be real with u chief, I will still be saying blah-hajj

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 39 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Bit idea: cis guy who doesn't speak Swedish telling off trans girl for pronouncing blahaj wrong.

[–] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

~~^isn't^ ^that^ ^what's^ ^happening^ ^to^ ^me^ ^in^ ^this^ ^thread^~~

[–] RION@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

Legit saw someone doing this in 196 yikes-3

[–] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

...just like me after i found out how they're actually supposed to be pronounced! :DDD

[–] moondog@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago (3 children)

swedish tips:
ä is pronounced "ehhhh"
ö is pronounced "uhhhh"
å is pronounced "oh!"

[–] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

i wish the letters matched with how they're pronounced 😭😭

ä and ö sound so differently outside of northern europe

i'd never think å would sound like "oh!" since it has "a" in it

[–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

the letters do match with how they're pronounced though...

[–] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

i meant like i wished that the letters matched with how they'd LOOK like they'd be pronounced. sorry, english language moment.

i used to think that ä = a pronounced twice (so like "aa"). but TIL that apparently in swedish ä has a different pronunciation.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

english language "insticts" are a terrible place to start for most languages using latin letters. if you start from what the letters meant in latin and know a little bit of what the hell went on in the middle ages (or are at least vaguely familiar with the spelling of a few european languages), these arent that odd. okay, the å is, because that's a uniquely nordic replacement for "aa", the older spelling. and the pronunciation has shifted over the centuries to an o-like sound.

but ä/ö are pretty standard forms for what used to be 'ae' and 'oe' (or æ and œ). they sound pretty similar to german or finnish (or a bunch of others) ä/ö, even when they're not identical.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

nerd Acktually, in German ä represents more of an ”eh” sound, completely different from the Finnish ä.

[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's got a tiny lil o up there too though!

(easier to notice in actual print than on a zoomed out computer screen)

[–] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

yes, but before this i'd think it was pronounced like "a" and "o" combined lol

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

ö is pronounced "uhhhh"

Are you sure? I've always struggled with how to explain the ö sound to English speakers

I'd say it's kind of sort of like the ir in "whirlwind" if you dropped the r sound but even that's not too close

For extra hard mode: try to teach English speakers the Finnish "u" and "y"

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[–] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is a gif situation and I will be responding accordingly

[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Closer to a "British bakeoff people calling it a tack-o" situation.

When they do yankee food it adds so much comedy to an already brilliant show. I want them to get other food as wrong as they did the s'mores or be surprised at peanut butter again, i can't get enough

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

only of my hajjs is blue and she's called Sini thank you very much. I will be calling my beautiful shark babies with their given names madeline-bruh

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Honestly, after the consumer-queer instance co-opted it, I really can't be fucked to care how one is supposed to pronounce it

[–] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"consumer-queer"??? wdym??? /genq

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Blahaj.zone or what the hell ever they called themselves-- I think they de-fedded a long time ago, but the biggest things I remember about them are arguing for cops at pride and arguing that corporate pinkwashing is a good thing because 'at least we're getting visibility' like every single corpo to put up a rainbow logo isn't just farming them for harder revenue.

I'd much rather spend my time and camaraderie with those who remember the purpose and perpetrators of Stonewall, tyvm

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not to mention praising Raytheon for being a queer friendly company.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 month ago

Oh jesus fuck I had forgotten about that bullshit, ty for the reminder.

[–] alexandra_kollontai@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

de-fedded? lots of feds there actually

[–] Pili@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ah crap, blah-hajj sounds so much funnier though

[–] RaisedFistJoker@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago

its fine sweden doesnt deserve respect

[–] OptimusSubprime@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

I wonder how confused Swedes were when they saw the name "Mötley Crüe"

thonk

[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sadly they get overlooked because Motörhead is significantly more hysterical to say out loud with the ö.

Actually by pure coincidence, Mötley, is significantly more natural to say in Swedish than Motley, so I think we all just assume it's a fantasy name for some kind of dragon, crue already is phonetic so that sorts itself out.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

nerd Swedish doesn't use ü.

[–] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 month ago

~~motley crew?~~

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[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You say Blåhaj wrong (the anglo way) to a Polish person and this what they hear:

"Blacharz"

[–] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Blacharge :DDD

[–] CDommunist@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Swedish isn't a real language

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

Sweden is made up so I'm gonna keep saying it the fun way

[–] Jourei@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Blah-hajj sounds like it could be more accurate though. As long as you don't pronounce it like blahhash or something. J as in Jerma.

[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

Blow and high are useful examples cause they sneak in the rhythm and timing better than trying to like write out that you have to take it a little slower with the words.

With blah and hajj people really rush both words as well as the rhythm between them and that kind of makes it sound worse than if you get the delivery right but just have weird pronounciation of the words themselves.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Blah-hajj would be correct if it was blahaj (I think that could be translated as blah shark), but it's blåhaj (blue shark).

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[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I figured the j is y

(Eg. From Yohannes to John)

So I say Bla-hai

But I never knew it was pronounced more like 'blow-high' due to a with o pronounced like an 'o'

[–] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

used to talk with a trans girl from southeast asia. that's how she pronounced it on VC.

but it seems like that was the correct pronounciation (or at least, close enough), from the responses i'm getting on this thread from people with knowledge over swedish language

due to a with o pronounced like an ‘o’

~~why even have å then~~

~~unless the actual "o" is pronounced differently too in swedish~~

[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh it's all different, wait until you hear about how a k can both be a normal k or a soft "tj" sound.

[–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This makes no sense to non Swedish speakers because in English tj never makes a sh sound. So yes, k can be hard (k) or soft (sh)

[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh yeah thats good to point out lol.

It's actually one of the things that's never quite left my accent, I chronically pronounce words starting with ch- using the sh-/tj- sound instead.

Which is unfortunate given the increased frequency of the word "chat" in recent years.

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

Shat is this real?

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

Ah right shark is "Hai" in german

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nope, not acknowledging it.

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[–] crosswind@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

It's a magma/lava type thing. Once the trans person walks out of the ikea store with it, it's pronounced blah-hajj

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