A manager usually works with time slots, say 8 a day (or whatever), they are all mostly disconnected, like do meeting with A, go to standup of team B, PMD for dev C etc etc. Dev isn't like that but everyone seems to start thinking it is: how many "items" was finalised last "sprint" etc and other stupid metrics.

Am I alone here or is there even worse things with jira in your opinions?

[–] AWittyUsername@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Azure Dev Ops and Azure Boards is even worse. Wish I could quit dev

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 6 days ago

I feel you there too bud!

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Now imagine a very large company implementing that shit software for other kinds of engineering projects! Yey! Lot's of great engineers have quit because of it.

Jira, we'll brain drain your company and make it seem more productive!

Next thing you know....well the guy who understood that is no longer here. But we can take our best guess.... should the door pop inward or outward during a flight?

[–] Alph4d0g@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 6 days ago

They have a predatory business model. "Hey we're cheaper than the competition". Once you're soaking in it and need features, they have options but it'll cost you. I reckon they have slick sales people who know how to pander to the egos of middle management as well. You know ... The people who don't actually have to use the tool but sure like to feel like they somehow matter.

[–] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We've been using Linear in my latest company and it is actually quite good. No bullshit fast UI, boards, issues linking with Git, a support that can take a feature request that is often implemented in a week or two after asking it.

[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago

I've tried out Linear (only peeked into it) and it's the perfect contrast of performance against Jira.

[–] bappity@lemmy.world 135 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

yeah sure, happy teams start with jira but they end up as angry and sad teams

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 112 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Yeah, we were also once happy.

And then we started using Jira.

RIP

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[–] theyllneverfindmehere@lemmy.world 80 points 1 week ago (28 children)

For those complaining about Jira... I used to be one of you. After changing jobs and using several alternatives, I am begging to be back on Jira. Manage Engine is currently the bane of my existence.

[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 1 points 17 hours ago

Ah Manage Engine. Lots of full featured products that are roughly 75% complete.

[–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What the? I thought Manage Engine was mainly for MDM. If they crammed an ITSM in there, there's no way it's as robust as software that was built for it.

Have you tried ClickUp?

[–] theyllneverfindmehere@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Someone else asked about click up, no I haven't even heard of it until this thread.

Manage Engine over commits on what it thinks it can do and it does none of them well.

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[–] KellysNokia@lemmy.world 70 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

All my homies hate agile, Jira, scrum, kanban, etc.

In truth none of these items are inherently wrong - what's wrong is leadership picking up new tools and adopting management structures expecting them to solve fundamental organizational issues.

Instead they only serve to magnify the outcomes of your existing corporate culture.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's funny that "Individuals and interactions over processes and tools" is the first of the tenets of agile and the most ignored. I think most people's frustrations with agile are from people worrying too much about processes and tools.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Scrum/Agile has 2 advantages over waterfall.

things that don't work get stopped early, without stigma.
the team works together towards an overall goal, it is not individuals working on individual tasks.

The "agile" tools themselves rarely encourage either of these practices.

Jira

assigns tasks to individuals.
treats closed and cancelled differently.

[–] mogranja@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

I think you hit the main issue right there. Devs don't hate the tool, they hate that the tool doesn't solve the issue. Like trying to drill a hole with a screw and a hammer.

[–] JustLookingForDigg@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

Strong agree! It drives me crazy how much hate scrum agile gets because when it's implemented intelligently I've found it really helps align everyone's expectations (I'm a dev)

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago

“Atlassian - for when you want make your security team really work”

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