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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 152 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They deserve credit for warning everyone about a situation people might not have realized was dangerous. Damn.

[–] Rookwood@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Something doesn't add up to me. That is not a ridiculous amount of peanut butter for one week. We would hear about this more than some random reddit post if it was real.

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

That is what they're admitting to, I think we can assume it has often been around double that.

[–] Glitterbomb@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

I had something similar happen to me, but instead of pounds of peanut butter i was substituting lunch for trail mix too often. One day I was passing white flakes that hurt like hell and it would come in waves if I tried eating any sort of nuts after. It's not peanut allergies, it takes a few days or so to feel these sharp cramps then I will be doubled over the next day. It looks like my bladder had dandruff.

I read it had to do with nut oils, and citrus supposedly counteracts it, so I eat oranges like mad if I ever feel it coming back and so far I haven't dealt with it again since. I'm really not the type to go over my diet or look into health things like this, but holy hell it hurt and that seems to be the why and also the how to help.

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[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 122 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

“I eat relatively healthy”

“Sometimes my only food in the entire day is peanut butter”

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I have a niece who is literally obese (>30 BMI) and her mother (also obese, even more so) frequently describes her daughter as a "healthy eater" despite the fact that her diet mainly consists of cake and ice cream, in enormous amounts. She considers it "healthy" because it's all organic from Whole Foods.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Or maybe "healthy eater", not someone who has a healthy diet

Healthy eater as in eating other healthier people.

[–] Anivia@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Natural peanut butter is very healthy. But of course it shouldnt be the only thing you eat

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[–] elxeno@lemm.ee 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"/u/UserUnwillingToShare"

shares a story

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They were just unwilling to share their peanut butter.

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[–] Bougie_Birdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 100 points 5 days ago (6 children)

A few people are in here saying a pound or two a week is an unreasonable amount of peanut butter.

But when you buy peanut butter it comes in a 1-2 pound jar. If it's your main source of protein, your favorite comfort food, or you have a poverty pantry, then I could totally see how you might think that one jar a week isn't too bad.

Two pounds of peanut butter is about 6000 calories, or three days of energy for the average person. It shouldn't be the main staple in your diet, as OPs doctor will attest, but it doesn't seem strictly unreasonable.

I wonder how gourmet or homemade "nothing but peanut" butter compares to something like Kraft that's loaded with sugar. Probably still not super great, but hey, maybe it's better. Or maybe it's worse. Eat a variety if you can.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 48 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

Eating peanuts or peanut butter for protein is weird because it's wayyyy higher in fat. Don't eat it for protein, it's a fat source really.

[–] Bougie_Birdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Y'know, that's an interesting point.

I blame our nutritional education. I grew up with the Food Pyramid (now debunked), and peanut butter would be considered a "meat alternative" which I think people conflate with being a source of protein.

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[–] Clent@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (2 children)

This issue can occur when eating one food excessively for long periods. I distinctly recall this being covered in pre- college health classes.

A common urban legend was the girl who only ate carrots and turned orange.

[–] SacralPlexus@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago (2 children)

the girl who only ate carrots and turned orange.

I can confirm this is a real thing. When I was a kid my step-mother went on this fad diet that involved drinking carrot juice every day. It was this whole production where she bought a juicer and I remember multiple large bags of carrots coming in the house. There was always leftover carrot pulp in the trash, etc. Anyways she went wild with it for a time and sure enough her skin started turning slightly orange, mostly along her forearms where the skin was thin.

That’s when the carrot juice stopped.

So yeah she wasn’t an Oompa Loompa but it was definitely a visible change.

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[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago (3 children)
[–] quinkin@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago

Colloidal silver?

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[–] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Oxalic acid is a normal part of the metabolic process. Your body literally creates it during digestion. Avoiding all oxalic acid intake is a nutrition myth and is basically impossible anyway. Fruits contain it, vegetables contain it, grains contain it. You eat it constantly. This person was already severely unhealthy if they gave themselves NAFLD and kidney stones. More likely the crap peanut butter OP was eating was full of preservatives and icing sugar and OP is probably chronically dehydrated.

"A pound or two each week"

Thats your problem right there. The next step up from peanut butter, in terms of calories (particularly fats) per kg is actual butter or lard. Its about 50% fat.

I imagine the rest is second hand regurgitation of info they dont really understand.

[–] smayonak@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

As a gym rat and bicyclist i was having health issues. No drugs or alcohol. Lots of supplements.

I went oxalate free on a zero carb diet for several years and it fixed my auto immune disorder. I lost 30 pounds of muscle in the process because of a loss in appetite. I slowly readded foods into my diet. Turned out that I couldn't handle salicylates in large amounts. It's in most plants as well. 3% of the population shares my intolerance. We can't eat spices or herbs.

All humans have individual variances in our ability to process plant toxins. There's a reason why some people are more prone to kidney stones than others. It doesn't mean someone is unhealthy.

[–] Shortstack@reddthat.com 61 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Oh my god

I did not know that could happen.

Time to find some other foods to replace my #1 go-to 😟

Fuck

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 43 points 5 days ago (13 children)

I can happen if you eat a fucking pound or two a week. Do you eat that much in a week as your comfort food?

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 31 points 5 days ago
[–] Shortstack@reddthat.com 20 points 5 days ago

Yes I do

I’m boring, I like having meals that I don’t have to think about as options to lean on in the morning. Pb and toast is my default for a low effort, no-brain-power-required breakfast.

During my poverty days I ate that as my main source of calories in the day. At most I’d go through a 1lb jar in about 3 days, so like 2lbs a week back then.

These days I’m eating a plant based diet and have far more variety of foods I put in my face. I still go through a 1lb jar in ~1 week, unless I’m eating oatmeal or something else for breakfast for a stretch.

You know that ‘what’s one food you’d bring to a deserted island to eat forever’ question? My answer was always peanut butter. Have to rethink that now.

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[–] JustAnotherRando@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Kidney stones fucking suck too. Note that there are more than just the calcium oxalate kidney stones, but for those ones in particular, other things high in oxalates that you might be eating that are high in oxalates: spinach, chocolate, tea, nuts, sweet potatoes.
So if you're trying to eat healthier, don't fully adjust to eating (breakfast) an oatmeal bake with nuts, peanut butter, and chocolate; (lunch) wraps using a spinach wrap and/or spinach instead of lettuce for the greens in it; and tea instead sodas... Unless you like the idea of Tylenol sized kidney stones.

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[–] crank0271@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Thanks George Washington Carver

[–] zib@lemmy.world 40 points 5 days ago (2 children)

As someone who has always had a problem with calcium oxalate stones, I did not know peanut butter is so loaded with oxalates, so this is good information to have.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

It'll sound counter intuitive, but one way to avoid problems with oxalates is to consume calcium rich foods with oxalate high foods. For example, a glass of milk (soy milk counts) with a PB&J.

The reason this works is the calcium binds with the oxalate in your stomach and not your liver/kidneys.

For this to work, you have to consume both at the same time.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They cannot be eating relatively healthily if peanut butter is their only food for the whole day lol

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[–] solrize@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

A pound or two a week sounds kind of moderate? I mean it's a lot, but if you like peanut butter? I don't eat nearly that much of it on average, but when I buy a 1 pound jar I usually finish it off in much less than a week. It's just an occasional thing for me though.

Are those oxalates only if the PB is getting spoiled or anything like that?

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[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Seems like you're good if you keep your peanut butter consumption under a fucking pound or two a week!

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[–] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 16 points 5 days ago (8 children)

A pound of peanut butter per week sounds insane but apparently it's only like 2 cups and I feel like that's an edible amount. It's a lot but if I really got a hankering for some PB I could do that. But then after a week I would be over it. I feel bad for this person though that apparently they think eating nothing but PB is healthy. A human body needs a variety of different foods and nutrients and evidently eating nothing but peanut butter isn't that.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 16 points 5 days ago

A pound of peanut butter in a week is nothing; a pound of peanut butter a week, every week, on the other hand...

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[–] spacesatan@lemm.ee 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

The quantity doesn't seem right to me, a normal american peanut butter jar is about 2 pounds. I feel like if the only thing you eat in a day is peanut butter that by itself would be about a half a jar right? Calories would put it at ~1/3 a jar for daily caloric intake but obviously you're going to overshoot if you're eating straight peanut butter. Half a jar in a week just doesn't sound that crazy to me, thats barely over 2 servings/day.

Also peanuts are low in oxalates compared to other nuts. The number I keep finding for a low oxalate diet is 100 mg/day. Apparently 200-300 is a typical amount. The highest number I found is 20mg of oxalate to a tablespoon of PB so 2 pounds a week is only 160mg/day unless I messed up the math.

*I think what happened here is OP is either predisposed to kidney stones and is generalizing the special diet they should be on to everybody else or is just overweight and leaving out that detail since everything I'm reading about NAFLD is that it's caused by obesity not oxalates.

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[–] MadLegoChemist@startrek.website 23 points 5 days ago (3 children)

A pound of peanut butter is around 2600 calories. A pound of Nutella is about 2400 calories. Honestly not as bad as I thought initially.

1 to 2 pounds a week is 370 to 740 calories per day. Eating that much peanut butter for a week or so wouldn’t be too hard, but keeping that rate up consistently would be tough.

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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Apparently this can really happen.

our patient consumed an estimated five times the typical quantity of oxalate daily. She ingested approximately 150 g of almonds daily ... and six tablespoons (1/8 cup) of chia seeds ... which ultimately caused kidney injury.

150 grams is ~130 almonds, and the chia seeds weigh ~90 grams. I'm surprised it took only 240 grams (about half a pound) of nuts/seeds a day to get sick but that's still way more than most people eat and the relationship between dose and kidney disease isn't linear.

Normally, small amounts of free oxalate are absorbed by the stomach, distal small intestines and colon in humans.

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[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 14 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I didn't realize that too much peanut butter could be dangerous, but I also am confident that I am eating significantly less than 5,300 calories per week in peanut butter / peanuts. If you're churning through 2-3 standard jars of peanut butter a week, that's just absurd.

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[–] MyDogLovesMe@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Natural PB, or Kraft, Skippy, Jif? Cause that sugar shit will kill you.

Also, peanuts are not a nut, they are a legume.

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[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Love that there's a peanut butter subreddit

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[–] Wiz@midwest.social 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I remember my grandmother who lived to age 98 told me about an "all-day sucker" - basically fill a spoon in peanut butter, and when it's done, fill it up again. Repeat all day. Can you tell she lived during the depression?

I didn't think much of it as a kid. Thought it was a pretty good idea. Then I learned about food sanitation practices, and reconsidered.

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