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The universe’s hidden mass may be made of black holes, which could wobble the planets of the solar system when they pass by

Black holes the size of an atom that contain the mass of an asteroid may fly through the inner solar system about once a decade, scientists say. Theoretically created just after the big bang, these examples of so-called primordial black holes could explain the missing dark matter thought to dominate our universe. And if they sneak by the moon or Mars, scientists should be able to detect them, a new study shows.

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If primordial black holes are responsible for dark matter, they probably zip through the solar system about every 10 years, a new study found. If one of these black holes comes near a planet or large moon, it should push the body off course enough to be measurable by current instruments. β€œAs it passes by, the planet starts to wobble,” says Sarah R. Geller, a theoretical physicist now at the University of California, Santa Cruz, and co-author of the study, which was published on September 17 in Physical Review D.* β€œThe wobble will grow over a few years but eventually it will damp out and go back to zero.”

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[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Experimental evidence please...

There have been SO MANY hypotheses for dark matter without experimental evidence. For one, we don't even have evidence yet of dark matter being actual matter instead of being modified gravity.

Sure, theoretically dark matter seems a lot more likely than modified gravity, but still... We need that evidence badly.

[–] wkk@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You need to know where to look for said evidence, this is one new lead. Measure planet wobble for a few years and see if there's anything. Other experiments can and will be carried in parallel in the meantime.

[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

Oooo so we have a nice testable hypothesis. We could rule this out in less than five years, eh? That's good then.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

What if it hits instead of passing by?

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The article links to another article describing the effect of getting hit by a primordial black hole. At their typical assumed speed they’d pass through a planet without stopping, but the momentary distortion caused by their passage would be enough to kill a person in its path.

[–] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Here the relevant part:

This translates to a small probability of order 10^–16^ for a single death in the entire population of eight billion people living on Earth at present. The likelihood of one death increases to 10^–9^ if the current population size persists for another billion years, after which the expanding sun is expected to boil off all oceans on Earth.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

What if this is what causes strokes? Black holes yeeting through your head and snatching a few grams of grey matter, causing a bleed and stroke.

[–] wholookshere@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 months ago

We're estimating once a decade. Not thousands a day.

Could the estimates be wildly off? Yes. But that's still pretty wild conjecture lol.

We already know what causes strokes.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They compute the odds of a human ever getting hit by a PBH in the lifetime of the solar system, and it’s... considerably less than the odds of getting a stroke.

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 6 points 2 months ago

Everyone who ever had a stroke has just been extremely unlucky

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 6 points 2 months ago

New fear unlocked.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Honestly, I have no idea lol.

They compare the mass of it to an asteroid, but that's a pretty big range of possible masses. Assuming it's the mass of a small, "survivable" asteroid, it wouldn't burn up in the atmosphere since it's atom sized.

If a regular asteroid of the same mass is like a sledgehammer, I would imagine the similarly-massed, atomic-sized black hole would be like a bullet?

But I'm just throwing stuff at the wall with that guess.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

It's dark matter, there shouldn't be friction with the air like with mass made of regular atoms, right? Nor with the ground. I think it would be more like a bullet but it would zip right through the whole planet without resistance.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Probably the same as an asteroid of equivalent mass at impact.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Except an asteroid stops when it impacts the surface. Since a microscopic black hole would absorb the atoms directly in its path, there would be no "impact" where it imparts all its kinetic energy to the surface.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I think the asteroid would transfer all of its kinetic and potential energy coming to a halt. A dark matter thing shouldn't even be slowed much.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So, if dark matter is primordial black holes, and they're numerous enough to pass through regularly on human scales, what would stop them from eating each other up and becoming a regular black hole?

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago

Probabilities. Objects that small will virtually never collide randomly, and they're not massive enough to hold stable orbits around one another that could eventually decay enough for a merger. But at our current understanding, they should light up like a Christmas tree from Hawking radiation, so I'm likely missing some aspect of their theory, I didn't read the paper