Remember people: Polls aren't votes, make sure you vote!
this post was submitted on 12 Oct 2024
-40 points (28.7% liked)
politics
19089 readers
5309 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Kamala Harris's underdog narrative: Harris frames her campaign as an underdog, despite polling better than Biden did before dropping out.
Socially, she's racially and sexuality disadvantaged considering that she's a woman of color and mixed race. She's going up against a billionaire celebrity with a cult-following. I think it's safe to call her an underdog.
Also I don't understand this in the context of the post either.
First point "she's not REALLY an underdog, look at how she polls!"
Every other point "she is polling poorly in key demographics"
Everytime she moves right her numbers get worse...
But she keeps moving to the right, I don't know what she expects to happen.
If she wants to stop trump, all she has to do is move left to align more with Dem voters.
Yep, it's increasingly clear the collapse of the Republicans seems to have primarily accomplished pushing D further right. The Republicans invited all the crazies into their party and drove it into the ground, but somehow it's Progressives that are out in the cold as a result.
gg conservatives
I, too, was hoping for a more progressive candidate to replace Biden that would excite the base more. At this point we've got little to do but hope and throw as much support as we can behind her.
Only if you think Kamala values her unpopular policy positions more than she wants to be at trump.
I'm voting for her, but she'll get more votes moving to the left, and I really really want to beat trump, so I'm going to keep making noise till the election.
Then I'm going to keep making noise, hoping she listens, because this shit doesn't just end after the election, or after she takes office.
If she keeps moving to the right we'll lose ground in the House and Senate, meaning she can't fix shit.
And four years later we'll be in the same spot, and her and the DNC will claim the only choice is being more conservative again.
So while I understand the frustration, this is bullshit:
At this point we’ve got little to do but hope and throw as much support as we can behind her.
You want to help Kamala beat trump?
Do anything you can think of that has the slimiest chance of pulling her left. As a bonus it'll help everyone living in America, and lots of people outside of it too
Only if you think Kamala values her unpopular policy positions more than she wants to be at trump.
I think Harris values beating the other guy and saving democracy more than all else at this point, and this is the reason why her positions have swung so rightward.
It's to the point that not only the rightie Liz Cheney, but even Dick Cheney, is able to vote for and endorse Harris.
I’m voting for her,
Me too.
but she’ll get more votes moving to the left,
Citation needed. And considering what's at stake, you better be able to provide strong evidence of this. (I've previously explained why we need moderate Republican votes to win and the reasons suck but we're not in a position to change it prior to this election.)
and I really really want to beat trump, so I’m going to keep making noise till the election.
Same here. I'll keep explaining why we need to join with moderate never trumpers to win this election.
Everytime she moves right her numbers get worse…
Eh, I'd think most polls can't be trusted (remember in 2016 when polling said Clinton was sure to win?)
Except Nate Silver got it right in 2016, so following what he says, https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model
Last update: 2 p.m., Monday, October 14.
Harris 49.4% Trump 46.5%
I think this is a case of some Dems just getting jitters before the final lap.
But she keeps moving to the right, I don’t know what she expects to happen.
That she'll keep the Dem voters and win over the moderate never trumper Republican vote?
If she wants to stop trump, all she has to do is move left to align more with Dem voters.
A big key issue in 2020 was electibility. It's why Biden won back then over more leftie primary candidates, and why the 2nd place primary candidate (Sanders - whose leftie credentials are undeniable) was an old white dude.
I don’t know what she expects to happen.
What will happen is those who are upset she's drifted a bit right will vote for Trump who's miles further to the right, or they will proxy-vote for Trump by wasting their vote on a third party candidate.
No, they'll just not vote like a third of the country always does...
Like, what's the negative to do what the Dem voter base wants?
Why only move to the right for votes, and how does that lead to anything but the country moving to he right.
Like, what’s the negative to do what the Dem voter base wants?
Losing the moderate republican vote in places like the midwest and in battleground states - where Dems really need to win, due to the nature of the Electoral College.
Why only move to the right for votes,
To win of course.
and how does that lead to anything but the country moving to he right.
The government? Unfortunately it doesn't - unless we're able to get something extreme pushed thru like the 127 DC states plan.
But the country as a whole? If democracy prevails, they will move however they move and it'll be up to the politicians to respond to the new electorate. Kinda like how Obama's views on gay marriage evolved.
No, they’ll just not vote like a third of the country always does…
Well hopefully they'll still understand that democracy is at state and thus turn out for Harris, saving their protest non-vote for future cycles (when it's back to business as usual).
"But she's fundraising so well!!!!!!!"