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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 65 points 1 month ago (1 children)

MAGA Force ... national guard (under a central leader) ... partol groups ... whatever you want to call them

There is a precedent for all this

"Sturmabteilung"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

[–] d00ery@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I was looking for the brownshirts link!

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 60 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I don't have links handy right now, but take a look at DeSantis' Florida State Guard.

  1. Unlike the National Guard it only answers directly to the Governor of Florida and there is no precedent for the federal government to take command of it.
  2. It was publicly billed as a sort of disaster relief agency, but volunteers reported that significant amounts of training time was being dedicated to paramilitary topics like riflery and small unit tactics.
  3. There is also a small (30-50 people) QRF, SWAT-like element to this organization, and it got out that they were receiving paramilitary training from a private organization that currently employs convicted war criminal Eddie Gallagher, if you remember that fucker.
[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Gallagher was that SEAL that Trump pardoned from war crimes, right?

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Specifically he murdered POWs, once with a knife, and then threatened to kill any of his team that ratted on him.

He is kind of the poster child of the disdain conservatives have for modern rules of engagement. They still think he was falsely maligned and that he only "did what he had to do." Of course, that's why he was pardoned. They need people like him going forward.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

His fellow snipers and the rest of his squad admitted that he also shot randomly at civilians, to the point that his squad ACTIVELY FUCKED WITH HIS RIFLE SCOPE to make sure he'd miss the first shot and give civilians some time to get to cover as he cycled his rifle.

The dude was enough of a psychopath that they screwed the dude WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO KEEP THEM SAFE so he wouldn't randomly murder civilians.

You also forgot the part that he stabbed a POW to death, took pictures with the corpse, and sent them to his buddies stateside.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That should be a hanging offense. How could we win hearts and minds or stabilize the region acting like that.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

You see, the people who supported what he did don't want to do those things. Constant war is good to them because despite how "tired" they might claim to be of it, constant war, or the threat of war touching off, is all they know, and they don't know how to envision a peaceful world. Between Korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1 and 2, Afghanistan, the Balkans, and the late Cold War, really no American of voting age living today has grown up in a world where US soldiers were not deployed in active combat roles somewhere at sometime.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 month ago

COOL STUFF. AWESOME.

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Coming this fall on Fox:

Meal Team Six: Miami

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 52 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Red Shirts are coming. GOP you are really making a wonderful future for us.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Red Hats, you mean. They've had the uniform for years already.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sounded ridiculous like it was just random idiots.

But it's a lot more dangerous and more likely than that:

Former White House adviser Stephen Miller said enforcement will be managed by red state National Guard troops that the Trump administration would deputize as immigration enforcement officers, according to the report.

He could and would 100% do that, Govenors wouldn't fight it, and even if they did, the SC would side with trump.

They really should have said "National guard" in the headline instead of "MAGA force".

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But for real, this is the sort of thing that would trigger a progression of events that would almost certainly lead to open civil war. Think about it:

  • deputization of specific red-state and red-friendly NG and CBP personnel occurs
  • theyre sent to blue states and blue metro areas in particular
  • they probably do some Krystalnacht shit, and also probably try to fuck with the state and local governments at the very least, and likely try to do outright violent coups against them
  • blue Governors who are on the ball are gonna be like “fuuuuuuuck that” and mobilize their own NG contingents for the defense of their own states and its population
  • trump tries to nationalize said defending blue states NGs; the governors tell him to fuck himself
  • the NG commanders are faced with a choice: follow what could be very clearly construed as an illegal order by the president, or try to stick to what the spirit of their oath actually is. It’s anybody’s guess how exactly that will play out. Nonetheless, I’m certain some state NGs will echo their governor’s sentiment
  • open, armed conflict between US States

So yeah. That’s super fun to think about. Wcgw.

[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Remember all the riots in Portland? All it would take is one side to open up with an AR and it's on.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago

And the rat fucker Rittenhouse is out there with I’m sure plenty more guns.

[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 month ago

It's actually exactly like the SA, the Nazi paramilitary force before the SS. The SA was composed entirely of thugs empowered to beat up "the opposition", secure rallies, and secure elections (intimidate). The SA was purged in "the night of long knives" as soon as Hitler got real political power because an extrajudicial group of armed thugs is a huge liability when you're the one in power. The people who did the purging were mostly police and government officials who were loyal to Hitler, and they later became the SS.

It's a fascinating and terrifying history because Trump is a Hitler fanatic and he clearly plans to use his Maga thugs to gain power then purge them as soon as they're a liability to him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The SS was composed of a bunch of junior officers and German police already deeply embedded in the Hindenburg government.

This headline makes it sound like Trump is going to deputize a bunch of terminally online cranks, which sounds like more of a SovCit tier grift than a serious policy. Far more disturbing would be Trump doing what we've already seen other state and municipal leaders allow during the BLM marches and the pro-Palestine college protests. Telling the cops, the state troopers, and the national guard to go wild, then blaming the civilians for all the damage that follows.

I could very easily see Trump signing off on an EO that says you can't prosecute the police for... anything, really. Then Red-State Republicans goading their officers to go ham on the blue cities, while the national press treats the general police brutality as some kind of War on Crime. Courts squelch any kind of civil liabilities for the police. Liberals get clubbed into submission. Centrists denounce "both sides" (but so as not to offend conservatives in any way). Conservatives go full sicko-mode because they can.

Its less like The SS and more like Israeli Settler Movement. Some AM Talk Radio guy saying we need to "Squash the Bugs" and you end up with shit like what's happening in The West Bank, as settlers club Palestinian locals in the street and the Israeli police fire on any Palestinian that resists.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

Its less like The SS and more like Israeli Settler Movement. Some AM Talk Radio guy saying we need to "Squash the Bugs" and you end up with shit like what's happening in The West Bank, as settlers club Palestinian locals in the street and the Israeli police fire on any Palestinian that resists.

History doesn't repeat but it sure as shit rhymes

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

That's where he found his anti BLM group. He got a bunch of federal agents.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Well call me Aldo raines.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Every fascist movement requires paramilitary thugs; Trump's is no different.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Not really a fair comparison since the average MAGA militiaman is larger than the U.S. Army.

[–] LodeMike 3 points 1 month ago
[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Queue the violence in three… two…

I plan to be as offline as possible from the election until we have a sworn president. And flee the country if the wrong one is sworn.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Better get in line now

[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

Instead of the brown shirts, we'll have the red hats.

The ones who keep passing out at his own rallies? Pfft, come at me

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Inb4 Trump Youth