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[–] woodenghost@hexbear.net 18 points 11 hours ago

From 2001 to 2003, people tried getting the Nazi party NPD banned. They sued at the highest court and argued, that it was a danger to the constitution. The court found, that too many members of the Nazi party, including highest ranking leaders, where funded by the state. Specifically, they were paid by the very agency (Verfassungsschutz) that was supposed to protect the constitution. They had funded the Nazis for years and radicalized them under the guise of introducing under cover agents. The court concluded, that a clear distinction between the state and the Nazi party could not be made. And so the case was dismissed. The funding continued.

Earlier this year, the former head of this agency set up his own Nazi party.

[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 14 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

An event that comes to mind, is during a meeting where Stalin proposed they should execute basically all the Nazi leadership because they, you know, led and fought for literal genocide and fascist world domination. America and the UK effectively objected (the exact details are contested).

The result was that the worst war criminals were relocated per Operation Paperclip, and the rest of the West German leadership were basically the same Nazi officers and bosses who were in charge pre-war (and also later in senior NATO positions). The leadership didn't fundamentally change in any way, the Nazis got rewarded with cushy jobs, it could barely be called denazification at all.

[–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 56 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Until well into the 1970s, the entire Bundeswehr and NATO's West Germany leadership were Nazis. I don't mean they were nationalists voting for whatever the proto AfD was, I mean that they were all actual card carrying Nazis who, prior to gaining their posts in 1945, had been shooting Allied troops and committing genocide, yet somehow avoided Nuremberg

For 30 years post war, the Bundeswehr was essentially just the Wehrmacht all over again in all but name

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 17 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

learning the number of Nazis actually executed at Nuremberg is wild lol

[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 18 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

number of Nazis actually executed at Nuremberg

..Eleven? Is that fucking it? 73 million dead, 17 million mass murdered, as enabled and enacted by hundreds of thousands of willing Nazi officers - 24 put on trial, and only 11 got the death penalty? THAT'S IT?? big-honk

I was always taught the Nuremberg Trials were a big thing where they really dealt out justice. It should instead be renowned as the most useless pitiful pretense of an event pretending to deal out even the minorest amount of justice. I see there were subsequent trials, but the amount of people convicted is still utterly pitiful.

[–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't know this before

IT WAS FUCKING 11 agony-consuming ?

[–] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 1 points 3 hours ago

we need at least 9 11s on germany

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 9 points 12 hours ago

I pointed out to the lib i work with that NATO's head had been an actual Nazi and his response was "he says he was forced into it"; ah well then that settles it.

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 21 points 13 hours ago

Michael parenti's blackshirts and reds covers this topic in some detail

[–] scarcity_of_the_self@hexbear.net 26 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Read The Destruction of Reason by Georg Lukács. It looks big but it is actually convertible to a mere 7 hours or so of posting online.

[–] join_the_iww@hexbear.net 13 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] scarcity_of_the_self@hexbear.net 5 points 12 hours ago

o7 any time, FYI: MR magazine had an article about it called The New Irrationalism which helped me figure out why people even recommended it to me in the first place so check that out first

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 27 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

It's been a long time (I think it was an old Proles of the Round Table episode?) but I remember hearing that when Germany reunified the West German state that essentially became the entire German state kicked people out of their houses to return the properties to Nazis and their descendants who'd had it seized in the aftermath of WW2 and German partition, so loath was the West German government to allow anyone to face the slightest consequence for being a Nazi.

EDIT: if anyone is interested in looking into this, the organization responsible was called the Treuhand I think? I believe it means Trust Agency or something like that.

[–] tripartitegraph@hexbear.net 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

In Blackshirts and Reds, Parenti also talks about how East German officials who prosecuted collaborators were, after reuinfication, held liable to West German laws that made their earlier rulings illegal.
From the footnote on page 83:

Helene Heymann, who had been imprisoned during the Hitler regime for her anti-Nazi activities, later was a judge in the GDR, where she presided over anti-sabotage trials. She was put on trial in 1996. When her conviction was read out, it was pointed out by the judge that an additional factor against her was that she was trained by a Jewish lawyer who had been a defense attorney for the Communists and Social Democrats.

[–] Sinister@hexbear.net 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yes Treuhand or THA. The RAF did a minecraft against the THA president Rohwedder at least. The rest is true as well, they bascially demolished everything in the east.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I remember them mentioning that a bunch of productive state owned enterprises got privatized and sold off to capitalists who then shut them down for being insufficiently profitable, resulting in mass unemployment, which also is incredibly awful.

The reunification seems like one of the the biggest non-war related disasters of the 20th century.

[–] Sinister@hexbear.net 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Well amongst the similar things (or worse) happened in the former warsaw pact states and yugoslavia as well. The whole collapse of the Soviet Union was a massive humanitarian disaster.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Yeah, I can't think of anything in modern history that feels like it set humanity as far back as the Soviet Union and allied socialist states collapsing.

EDIT: also, sorry if it sounded like I was trivializing the other collapses, I'm just not as familiar with them.

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 32 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] join_the_iww@hexbear.net 25 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks, this seems like exactly what I was looking for

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 37 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

There's a lot more that really indicates the nazi nature of both West Germany and the USA, like many Jews in concentration camps were kept in them for months and even more than a year for some after the end of the war. This was because West Germany didn't want them and neither did any other European countries or the USA. The Nazi POWs were also put in those camps... And put in charge of the Jews left there. Many Jews died in those camps long after the war ended.

Just real dark Fourth Reich shit.

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I've seen many liberals claim that "the Soviets didn't really liberate the concentration camps in their territory, they just put them under new management."

Amazing how they manage to project every single time.

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Somebody dropped this YT video into the megathread yesterday with a timestamp to a very relevant Scott Ritter story: https://youtu.be/eTNxOgm1zc4?t=2429

The story is about growing up in postwar West Germany and encountering work gangs made up of orphans from the war who had been used as slave labor by the Nazis, nobody in Europe wanted them and nobody in West Germany wanted them, the USA didn't want them... so West Germany kept them in work camps and kept using them as basically slave labor.

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[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 22 points 15 hours ago

I don't know the history well enough to give any examples that aren't modern, but it's pretty obvious to me that the Germans were never properly re-educated. They're still bloodthirsty assholes perpetuating genocide, they've only changed their target demographic.

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 10 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Funny video with an example of what you're talking about

https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=Q4S0VjaMglE&si=xSHgvrkqFpDOSUPL

[–] chickentendrils@hexbear.net 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The West German department tasked with prosecuting former Nazis was itself more Nazi than the 3rd Reich had managed https://www.timesofisrael.com/german-justice-system-contaminated-by-nazis-in-post-wwii-years-researchers-find/

[–] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 2 points 3 hours ago

I love the mayodoublespeak here--"contaminated by nazis"

if your soup is 75% ricin, it's not contaminated by ricin

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

This is a joke, but makes the point along w the adolf heusinger video https://youtu.be/Ang6Fw9Ff2k

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[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 3 points 15 hours ago (2 children)
[–] SwitchyWitchyandBitchy@hexbear.net 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Both of those videos are great as far as I can tell.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

yeah i kinda half listened to my gf watching them but it seemed like a strong analysis and she thought the same.

[–] SwitchyWitchyandBitchy@hexbear.net 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

All the Bes D Marx vids I've watched have been quite good.

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